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What the Democratic Party learned from that was to stay quiet during the primary campaign and only turn on the transphobia during the general campaign. Seems like needing to be two-faced about it indicates they know it's a failed stategy. Being a bigot is more important than winning.

Correct. It's also why people trying to frame bigots like they hold a ton of sway are just wrong; Exceptionally few Dems are Transphobic, and those that are are widely disliked. Treating bigots like they hold any cards is genuinely helpful to them when in reality we can and regularly do beat them.

Horrifying that there are many who think tossing one group aside to be destroyed, is acceptable. The moment that happens, it essentially paves the way for any group to be expendable for "the sake of the good".

noones fearmongering about jewish children in sports or bathrooms endangering "fairness in childrens' sports" because everyone recognizes that to be obviously ridiculous, but the same thing when said about trans people is suddenly seen as "valid discourse"

1% of the population is sti 3.5 million people. Yeah, Dems can TOTALLY win without that number.

That guy sucks

Pundits as a class must be well below 1% of population. Maybe we deny medical care to and force them out of society without a lot of backlash.

We rise or sink, together 🥂

How exactly are you gonna hold their feet to the fire? They already got your vote and in four years will have a cushy job as a consultant lined up as a result of the favorable votes they cast while fucking you over.

didn't ask

*sees post dragging some guy* "Hey, I'm that guy too! I better repeat what he saying!"

Do you want a cookie?

your “support” for trans people is purely performative if you can align your vote to anyone who doesn’t believe trans rights are human rights.

You don't just get to declare yourself a supporter while demanding trans people vote for bigots in a shade you prefer. I promise, you're not 'anti everything MAGA.' You're just mad you're not in charge.

Certified Self-declared Ally Moment

So you’ll vote for them regardless, and when they learn they can abandon trans people and still get voted in, it becomes impossible to hold their feet to the fire.

you're not a trans supporter. you're just a coward.

"I'm going to hold their feet to the fire to change their policy" ok how

I'm sure you believe that, but historically, "give a politician what they want and then ask them to improve after they have it" doesn't really work. An anti-trans Dem who gets elected learns that being anti-trans gets them elected, and that's like 99% of the job.

That’s cool, I’ll destroy us both if you don’t care if I live. Let’s see who wins

Remove the rainbow flag from your bio.

They are never changing their policy. Once a trans hater in politics, always a trans hater in politics.

Why aren’t you holding their feet to the fire NOW? I need to give up my rights now but you’ll get around to helping us out later?

you won't hold shit to shit

So you’re an idiot.

yes i heard this about biden in 2020, who ended his term breaking the law to send additional weapons to israel before trump could do exactly the same; vote how you want but your little scenario has to include "push him left after the election" being completely fake

Just walking into a car dealership saying “look, I’m gonna buy this car no matter what you say or do, but you’d better give me a good deal on it or I’m going to have no choice but to pay whatever you’re asking.” If you never draw a line, how can we ever expect you to?

that usually when “we have to think about the next election/midterms” the window of time the squish liberals will allow for any meaningful “feet to the fire” is pretty much nonexistent

So you are not a trans ally, you’re a hypothetical ally under certain hypothetical conditions.

Saying you prefer one holocaust over the other is not the brave stance you seem to think it is.

If you don’t correct the behavior when you first see it, it becomes MUCH harder to correct it later. I didn’t vote for him in the primary, I am not voting for him now. If we KEEP voting for the BAD centrist Democrats, they will KEEP RUNNING bad centrist democrats. Voting for bad candidates just

you have no ability to hold them accountable after you elect them, dummy

Democrats willingly choose to support fascism if they get a seat in power. I mean, look at fucking Schumer and Jeffries. Progressive Voters want confirmation that they actually oppose every aspect of fascism... Not the parts that are convenient or easy.

The Democrats taking transphobic policy positions are already overtly engaging in crass triangulation rather than holding firm to a principled position, so there is absolutely no reason to pretend like they aren't capable of re-triangulating to a *non*-fascist position.

There are less wordy ways you can say you lack discernment and critical thinking skills.

Take ally out of your bio.

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You do know you can hold candidates' feet to the fire to get them to change their policy *before* you promised them your vote. You know that, right? You could be doing that right now, instead of posting these replies. Why aren't you doing that?

You've removed yourself from the conversation and are left with nothing but to beg others to be as passive and pointless as you. Even the transphobic Democrats you adore have contempt for you.

How, exactly, do you propose you would “hold their feet to the fire”? They already got your vote. That's the only thing that matters to them.

Haven't the Dems been trying to make it clear that if they win Congress they will support keeping a pedophile rapist fascist in power too?

Principles only mean something if you stick by them when theyre inconvenient Never trust someone who abandons their so called Principles for convenience

It's super weird how many people, who have no stake in trans rights (no kids, dont play sports, dont know any trans people), are so negatively opinionated on the subject. When it was Harris vs Trump, I would hear from random people "Harris is alright, except for the Trans stuff". Like... Huh??

Fuckheads like mister "toss the least of us under the bus, it's fine" need to shut the fuck up. It's fuckin hard enough to be in this world as a straight white cis disabled dude, how horrific do you imagine it might be for those who aren't? Thankfully, people like Paul remind us what's at stake.

How adorable. Be a real man and have the conviction to actually say it

For further clarification, here's Raphael Lemkin's original definition of genocide, that goes even further than the Genocide Convention. The only way the international assault on trans rights MIGHT not qualify under it is that trans people aren't a nation, but it's still the best term we have.

Fuck me...too many genocides...

It was purposely an underreach. It doesn't include queer folks because the people writing the definition wanted to leave the door open to genocide us.

"genocide is only when you can feel the hot metal slice through your skin with your dying breath, the rest is just words, or something man."

This alone would make me only vote 3rd party candidates, but I have plenty of other reasons.

There are the same number of red heads in the population. Imagine saying this shit about red heads and getting away with it. Also 1% sounds small, but that's 3.5 million people that's roughly the entire population of L.A.

When i see a politician selling out trans folks, i see a spineless creature who will not stand up for anyone. It communicates weakness.

If you throw trans people under the bus, there is a 100.0% chance that you'll throw me under the bus too. "Vote blue no matter who" not applying to Mamdani shows it was always a lie, so I won't vote for transphobe Dems. Either none of us get sent to the camps, or we all get sent to the camps.

A group being small is not an argument for abandoning its rights; it is a test of whether rights are principles or just rewards for electorally useful constituencies.

So I did a quick check on what the US population is and got 1% of that. He's okay with ~3.9 million people being left without human rights.

Abandoning people is not necessary. Abandoning profits is.

Also we're much higher than 1% but transphobic assholes don't like admitting that

I hope so, but I’m afraid that the election diagnoses are going to say they weren’t transphobic enough

Right a lot care for Trans People and are not Trans (me too) and we always have to remember, when they are done with one target they would just search the next. Even when its dont affect you now, its maybe could later.

and it doesn't even work!

Their silence is deafening.

I don't know why it's so hard for these politicians to make a coherent platform based on human rights and personal freedom instead of looking for whatever fascist position they think they can adopt to help poll numbers. People want moral leadership.

If a politician is willing to throw one group of people under the bus for political gain, I don’t trust them to represent ANYBODY

* Nutpicking is bad, don't do it * This guy is just wrong: We saw a younger Dem lose his career by going full transphobe following 24 to a much older, Trans friendly Dem. A large majority of Dem voters and politicians want to protect Trans people, we do not need to treat bigots like they have power.

I wish Talarico would be brave enough to correct himself. He has so much promise.

I am sorry, and those dorks are not helping, but all I can say is there are more of us on your side than you might think

I can’t even imagine what this is like for you and I am so sorry that you have to even see this kind of hate. You are worth so much and I care about you.

"he makes quippy comebacks to trump tweets" was all it took to overlook how transphobic he's always been

Real human lives are more than just a rounding error, no matter how much these people like to pretend otherwise

I remain convinced that Democrats have lost millions of voters who simply asked "If [scapegoated minority dujour] can't trust you, how can I? If you throw them under the bus the minute they seem unprofitable, then am I next?" when they got demoralized and decided to stay home.

That's the same logic the Dems used in 2024.

Paul F. Goatkins strikes again

Dems moving right and abandoning immigrants worked out really well for them

if theres no tanglible consequences why do they keep fuckin losing while pleading as if theyre radioactive

That said I think you are raising a good point.

See? When I'm advocating for marginalized groups, that means all of them, & if the politician who associates with the Left can't bring themselves to understand that, I don't want anything to do with them. I'm not catering to bigots, whether they're cowardly or outspoken in their bigotry. Fuck 'em!

This represents a critical flaw in humanity... inhumanity. The operative word in 'Trans People" is 'People.' The modifiers are just the spice of the person. It'd be sickening if all we had to eat was mayo on soft white sandwich bread. That's, in essence, what folks who demonize others crave.

Even aside from the ethics of this, 1% seems like a significant proportion of most election margins?

Well I'll be a two headed scapegoat!

If there are no tangible consequences for Dems who throw trans people under the bus, then it doesn't matter if trans people don't vote for them. In fact he's pulling circular logic- trans people aren't allowed to care about their rights, *because* no one cares about their rights.

1% is roughly 4 million people. They’re saying 4 million people don’t matter? The fuck is wrong with people? Trans rights are human rights.

But *also* if trans people in the US are say 2 million people and as few as another 2 million people care to vote with them, 4 million votes more or less will absolutely swing elections

based Paul F. Tompkins

Thank you Paul!

Here's the problem - people can see. They see Dems refuse to help a persecuted minority because the polls say it might gain them a few votes. And they completely see that if the goons and thugs ever come for them, those Dems will not be covering their ass, either. And who wants to vote for that?

Seth Moulton would like a word.

paul I've said it before- thanks, man. thanks for bein normal when so many other people suck.

You talking about the same group of people who got upset when their Sunday brunch was “interrupted” by groups of people demanding that this society believe that their lives matter?

So much this, thank you!

Unfortunately, Martin Niemöller’s poem illustrates the fallacy of what happens whenever you throw minorities to the wolves to save your own skin. It’s literally the entire point of the poem & liberals don’t get it.

Oh, so he's not just horrible; he's horrible horrible.

Or the fact they figured out how to murder trans people through social isolation to avoid martyrs. Oppressors figured their mistakes out.

Fuckin' yeowch

That's a tell just in itself.

Political leaders willing to throw any groups of people under the bus are also willing to throw other groups under the bus. It's why we have leaders that are cool with bombing kids in iran, starving people in Cuba and funding a genocide in Gaza. Somehow people STILL dont see that