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Pronatalists believe that modern culture has failed to adequately prioritize the value of nuclear families and making lots of babies. They see powerful potential allies in Elon Musk and JD Vance.

npr.orgThey say they want Americans to have more babies. What's beneath the surface?Pronatalists believe that modern culture has failed to adequately prioritize the value of nuclear families and making lots of babies. They see powerful potential allies in Elon Musk and JD Vance.

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“What’s beneath the surface?” Racism. Just like every other fucking thing these people do. Also, weirdly sucking up to them isn’t going to preserve your federal funding, but it’s certainly going to cut down on your donations from your core constituency.

Childbirth mortality in the USA has been in serious decline. Poverty, poor health, and the environment are all linked to the decline. Domestic violence is a daily occurrence in the news. Sure, more population is what we need.

It takes 3 paragraphs to mention eugenics, and that's as a thing "some proponents" support. It spends the next several talking about a woman's weird outfit without highlighting her comment about "demographic collapse" in paragraph 11.

While it notes her husband hit a toddler in front of reporters it talks about it not as abuse but reports her framing of it as strategic for clicks via "shock value". It mentions Natal Con in paragraph 4 but takes until paragraph 14 to foreground its sexism and paragraph 16 to hit racism.

Yes, it gets there, but it's giving it a soft and cautious lead in approach. The statements at Natal Con and after weren't cautious, they come right out and say they hate the Civil Rights movement and blame feminism for everything else. Why not quote that up top?

Stop giving these awful people attention. I literally don't even know how these people keep getting the media to talk to nor why journalist think this racist insanely small group of clearly awful people are worth reporting on again and again and again like their awful ideas are worth pondering

To clarify their goals, "value of WHITE nuclear families and making lots of WHITE babies." Non whites may disregard this plea as their inclusion would run counter the project goals.

Leon is an ally of nuclear families? The guy literally inseminates dozens of women and these children don’t even know their biological father, siblings… All the bullshit needs to stop. Enough already.

Yet another piece in the “serious” media about these fringe nazis. If this was actually a large enough movement to matter we wouldn’t keep seeing the same weird-ass couple in their Amish cosplay and stupid glasses in every. Damn. piece. about this “movement.”

(Genteel, not gentile. It is also a gentile thing in that it's most often Christian nationalists pushing it, but I don't *think* that's what you were going for.) Though also eugenics has always been wrapped up in very genteel ways because if you lay out the bare facts it's disgusting and repulsive.

Eugenics is a thing that provides a convincing utilitarian solution to an actual, true problem (compiling of genetic problems because nature is not "culling" these bad genes). However, the problem is that humans are not soulless automatons, and we succeed via empathy, not brutality.

You’re assuming he’d actually want to spend time with his kids outside of family man photo ops instead of locking them up in one of his auxiliary mansions and forgetting about them.

a) Eugenics is beneath the surface. b) this is like the 50th article about these terrible weirdos, surely that is taken into account when making editorial decisions about what stories to pursue?

I'll tell you what's behind it! Religion! Alex Azar, and Opus Dei, The Heritage Foundation and Christian Nationalism. These are the tentacles 🐙 see my pinned, we must fight or we will be like the Taliban. You feel it already, dont you?

Stop normalizing Christian nationalism. ‘Traditional family values’ and large families only existed because women had no rights and effective and accessible birth control hadn’t been invented. The ‘nuclear family’ of 1950s - 1970s was an anomaly of post-war economic boom for working / middle class.

Ugh stop trying to make these people fucking relevant. They’re just weird racist dorks who are trying to be of the moment. They can all fuck right off forever.

We MUST address the population collapse that only exists if you're a psychopath capitalist who doesn't care that society as it is cannot support the people we already have and only wants more disposable bodies to grind up in your money printer.

They don’t want more babies, otherwise they would create lasting incentives for people to start families. What they want is more white babies. This is modern eugenics.

This country does fuck all to encourage families. Where is paid family leave, child tax credits, universal Pre K, free school lunches? If these pronatalists were actually serious they would be pushing these things 24/7/365. They’re not.

JD Vance wants to end birth right citizenship and deport Indians - like his own wife and children. Elon has at least 14 kids with 4 (?) baby mamas. If these douche bags are the new model of American fatherhood, we are totally fucked.

How does having bastard offspring with multiple baby Mamas, like the S. African Nazi has, promote the nuclear family? And don't even get me started on the number of times Vance has changed his name when his junkie thief of a mother acquired a new boy toy.

oh my fucking GOD, would you dipshits PLEASE stop reporting on this weird ass "natalist" bullshit like it's anything besides straight up weirdo nazi ass eugenics shit, PLEASE? what the FUCK is wrong with y'all?

Kind of funny how the moral panic about “absent fathers” doesn’t apply to thrice-divorced rich white dudes who can’t even be bothered to spend time with the twenty plus kids they custom-ordered.

These MAGA men aren't capable of love, respect, or attachment. Once their wife loses their figure, which turns these men off, they seek younger women so they can get off. Their wife is merely a broodmare, a body they fuck (rape if we're being honest), a domestic slave. We are NOT going back!

Giving these people oxygen on the form of sterilized news coverage is a big yikes. They’re eugenicists signing on to a couple of honest to god Nazi supporters. No need to pretty up the language in a headline - call them what they are.

NPR, what the actual fuck are you doing? "To go and start calling a whole crowd of people Nazis seemed a rather odd thing to do," -Natal Con speaker Bryan Caplan, a George Mason University economics professor and bestselling author. Maybe there's a reason for people calling the attendees Nazi's?

"Keenan is one of multiple Natal Con speakers published by Passage Publishing...which sells books arguing Black people are inherently more criminal and less intelligent than white people. Passage Publishing's founder, Jonathan Keeperman, both spoke at and sponsored this year's Natal Con."

Maybe it's just this one guy? Nope. "[Natal Con] also featured speakers such as Jack Posobiec, a hard-right political operative who first gained notoriety after spreading the Pizzagate conspiracy theory... Posobiec is close to the Trump administration and has used antisemitic memes on social media."

"Posobiec marched in and promoted demonstrations in Poland that included antisemitic, neo-fascist groups chanting support for "white Poland." No Nazi shit here, just normal people doing normal things...

Weird that they consider Musk an ally. He has anything but a nuclear family. He has multiple children with multiple women. He spends no time with them and provides minimal by TX law child support.

It's just code for forcing women to do decades of unpaid labour, with no paid parental leave, paid childcare, paid sick leave, paid vacation, lower earnings for being out of the workforce and lower pensions. They just want out bodies to make sure they have workers to exploit in the future.

$20k just to give birth (assuming no complications). Not including clothes, diapers, etc. No mention of paid maternity leave here, so the cost of childcare is a factor too. Unless people can afford to just take unpaid leave. I wonder why people might be having fewer kids. It's a total mystery. 😐

JFC, why are you doing this? These people actually hate you. Viscerally. The people you are trying to sell yourselves to want to burn your studios to the ground and hang your journalists from lamposts, and you're here printing puff pieces about "techno puritan" dorks hoping they'll buy subs.