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this is a good reminder of how things that are shitty but have been accepted as normal and inevitable can actually turn out to be abnormal and evitable with some science, time, education and political will

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So weird, I was thinking this while making my coffee. It was being discussed on a Fallout podcast . A character was smoking indoors, in bed, in one of the flashbacks. The host was appauled. When I lose hope for meaningful progressive social change I, a child of the 70s, think about indoor smoking.

We smoked in high school and on airplanes. Most TV shows had cigarette commercials. There were ashtrays in the waiting room at the doctor's office. Addictive amphetamines (speed) were widely prescribed for weight loss. There were no seatbelts in cars that got less than 10 miles per gallon. #History

I miss smoking, especially now when I put on the news. They use to have ashtrays in movie theaters. Imagine that. My neighbor sent me to the store to buy hers, I was in the first grade. 35 cents a pack.

CFCs - like the Y2K millennium bug - are also a good example of how, when people do come together & fix a thing people were worried about, you will still get people ignoring the fact that people came together & saying: x will never happen, look at all that panic over y & z, & that never happened...

If you went out to a bar and didn’t wash your hair before going to sleep, you’d have to wash all your bedding the next day. I would have to leave my coat outside overnight, too. It was foul.

The one time I went to a casino, I had to wash my clothes twice to get the smell out. Never went to another one because it was too hard to breath in there. Hazy like a brush fire at the base.

When my parents die, I may have to destroy their house to sell the property. Decades of smoking in the house are evident everywhere. There are restaurants and bars that still sometimes smell of old cigarettes from their decades of smoke. I am grateful most of society has left that behind.

Persistent scrubbing and repainting will get you pretty far, as well as removing cloth and carpeting that can’t be washed. I would think that fire restoration companies do this if you don’t want to put in the hard work yourself.

I appreciate the info. Perhaps they had not scrubbed enough the last time they painted, but it felt like the tar just came right through the paint. I hadn't thought about fire restoration companies, though!

You'd go to a club and the cigarette smoke would congeal with the sweat and you'd wind up with tobacco film covering you and stiffening your clothes. It'd wash out, but the clothes would be unwearable until then. Good times.

Like I work in retail so I speak to a lot of people all the time and WOW can you smell heavy smokers. To the point I sometimes have to hold my breath. Or going out to a bar and people smoke and then YOU smell like it in those clothes until you wash them.

Not only did everyone smoke indoors & wherever they felt like it unless it was specifically forbidden, but since almost everyone smoked we didn't smell it. Truth. For a while after smoking was banned in bars everyone started complaining about how bars smell like stale beer and chlorine bleach haha

I once had someone tell me he developed nicotine withdrawal from a lack of secondhand smoke when one state banned smoking in bars. (I'm dismayed when I think about how much time he must have spent in bars for that to be the case, though.)

I remember the uproar when Bloomberg banned indoor smoking in NYC. It lasted 5 minutes. Then everyone quickly realized how great it was to come home from the bar and not need to take a Silkwood shower or burn your jeans.

There's a good chance you can recreate this hell if you go to a casino! I worked in a tribal casino for a year (they allowed smoking) and not only did I have to start using an inhaler, but I'm pretty sure a co-worker got cancer. (Haven't had to use the inhaler since I left).

I used to hang my clothes outside to get rid of the smoke, and I'd often find a little circular burn in a sleeve of a jacket where someones cigarette had made contact.

There's an idiotic counter culture that rages against emissions control for Diesels. I believe some of the changes will be rolled back to pander to their feelings.

I was old enough to go clubbing just as the UK smoking ban came in, and clubs/bars went from 'almost unbearable at best' to 'quite enjoyable' literally overnight

Literally, that whole industrial design trend where computer cases, filing cabinets, and other shit used to be that weird beige color? That was LITERALLY motivated by the knowledge that everything would eventually turn into a similar color, from the smoke. So it might as well come in that color.

That is what I was given to understand. I suppose I never heard it from, like, an IBM document or anything, but I've heard it multiple times. Fucken crazy, right?

the actual reason is a german design law that prescribed office deviced "blend in" by having a neutral color, no bright white, no deep blacks. and since the ever neurotic germans (myself included) were the only people in the world to make a law about it, the manufacturers only made that color.

if you have been to vegas or live there, you will always know that familiar "cigarette stink" baked into the carpets even if they have banned smoking inside for a long time. circus circus casino just smells like stale cigarettes but im just used to it since i grew up around casinos

I used to work in a hangar full of interesting highly flammable chemicals and aircraft. The year I got there they put barriers in the break room to create a separate smoking area. Six years later they banned smoking inside.

I was in Germany recently and I was shocked that the airport had sponsored smoking places in the airport. Like you couldn't find something like that in the wild in the US and I cant believe Germany hadn't stomped out public smoking yet.

every time i went home from a nightout, my outfit was a total writeoff until it got laundry. i had reserved pants, sweaters, jackets for the sole purpose of going out, knowing they will be unwearable the day after.

Doubtful, it's pretty standard to smoke while drinking to get both the alcohol buzz and nicotine buzz. drinking hasn't decreased nearly as much as smoking has either, and probably never will considering we've been getting drunk throughout most of humans history lol

they used to let Minuteman missile launch crews smoke. which isn't hazardous, there's no explosives or anything onsite, but I can't think of many worse places to smoke than half a shipping container 80 feet underground where 90% of the air is recirculated

Now we get to smell pot instead. US still accepts going to work and school, or travel, sick and unmasked. And having bad flu seasons even after we skipped having flu one year. And accepts killing 40,000/year in car crashes.

The 40k crashes a year figure is bogus They're just reporting that "marijuana was involved in the crash" every time a driver tests positive for weed. But it stays in your system for 4-6 weeks, so it doesn't mean the driver was high when the accident took place

Also, the 40k number is even more fake because they count the accidents where the driver who wasn't even at fault tests positive for weed. And to make it EVEN MORE BOGUS, they also count when drivers fail a field sobriety test for weed. That number is being cooked up like crazy

Scotland had its smoking ban before England & during that period I remember walking into a pub in the Lake District and practically reeling in the doorway. I’d forgotten how bloody awful it was despite having only had a few short smoke free months at home

Um, we used air & fabric fresheners. To be fair, places regularly & heavily smoked in and badly ventilated, like clubs & cinemas, did stink of smoke. But in most places the issue was no worse than any number of other temporary smells, like cooking, sweat, etc. Except to anti-smoke obsessives.

When I smoked, I’d wash walls & surfaces. It helps a lot. Also: what about smoking jackets? I wish someone’d market chic ones to the legions of stinky pot smokers now. Such ideas would’ve made it better for nonsmokers, but I guess those didn’t come up bc abolition was health-oriented, not esthetic.

Good points. Yeah the ban for close proximity places was rightly justified due to passive smoking. But in other examples like outside or airy train stations, that reason fails. If anything it was a stick: discouragement via inconvenience, which - without a juicy carrot to go with it - I'm against.

IOW if there's a better alternative I'm all for making problematic products expensive & inconvenient by taxes & law if alternatives are made cheap & convenient by tax breaks & free use. I'd be up for it with e.g sugary foods, animal products, fossil fuels. But that didn't happen; still doesn't now.

When I was 3 my city moved to having only smoking sections in restaurants. When I was 10 it was banned statewide. I still remember sitting in a bar/restaurant when little surrounded by smoke, and the wild change of moving to the ‘punishment box’ as my mom called it (she’s a smoker). It’s wild.

Also worth remembering the discussion around banning smoking indoors - what an infringement of civil liberties it would be, how it would be unenforceable etc etc. Can you imagine now making an argument you *should* be allowed to release an unpleasant smelling vapour that was dangerous to inhale?

Normally not, but with RFK Jr in charge of public health, I wouldn’t be surprised if tobacco lobbyists are already preparing briefings for him on the “natural healing properties of tobacco”

Yes and Yes. Try riding an airplane, or train with smoking so dense you could barely see the ceiling. Or at MSG back in the day the smoke was really bad if you had tickets in the balcony.

After finding out what year toilet paper was invented, I can no longer watch any low fantasy or period piece movies without thinking “none of these characters are wearing clean underwear” at least once.

Instead Mainframes were about denying and forbidding: component features. In that file, two features of phenomenon of computer application environment will be prevalent; not just noticeable. If you looked at it in a tab in a Chromebook just like I did, the grid winks in and out of existence.

By contrast, I've been smoking weed almost every day since it was legalized here in NYC and I've gone totally noseblind to the smell of weed. I've walked into a place dank as a phish concert and thought it smelled of febreeze. The same went for tobacco until like, the 90s.

I recall a nightclub having to deodorize, change their carpet, deodorize again after indoor smoking was banned. Cigarette smell was really good at masking spilled alcohol and vomit smells. The day after the ban, even the staff had to step out due to the smell.

And the negative things that the smokers promised would happen, like restaurants and bars closing down, never materialized. In fact, it's much more pleasant to go to a restaurant or bar now and not breathe in a bunch of stinky smoke air while i'm eating, and I say that as a former smoker.

The people who were apoplectic about not being able to smoke in bars and restaurants and indoors in general have no problem with government regulations, just government regulations they don't agree with.

We've been through it with light bulbs and seat belts and car seats and fossil fuel, et cetera and so forth. It's just exhausting dragging people kicking and screaming into any sort of progress.

Maybe it’s because I grew up in California, which was the first place to ban indoor smoking, but even as a smoker I preferred no smoking in restaurants and bars

I used to have a giant fro. I hated how my pillows smelled and how bad my hangovers were when covered in smoke. That said, there were definitely bars, like the Backer in South Bend or the random Senior Frogs I went to in Cancun, that smelled a lot better with cigarette smoke than without

The most mind-blowing fact I learned in my entire life was that for most of human history, including the most developed countries in the world until about the mid-18th century, the *average* family had 6 children, only *2* of whom survived to adulthood.

I should mention the 6 *doesn't* include miscarriages. Nearly all women spent their whole adult lives pregnant, postpartum, and/or suffering from horrible pregnancy-related injuries while caring for sick and dying children. Just to keep the human population basically even from one year to the next.

Yeah, historically a 40% child mortality rate was *good*. The bad places could near *60%* of children not reaching adulthood. I don’t recall the exact figures but I’m pretty sure *nowhere* got below 40% before modern medicine, no matter the society or how developed their medical skills.

I vaguely recall hearing about a few years in the early modern period where infant mortality on the Faeroes was *100%* … because the midwifes had gotten the smart idea to do the equivalent of putting butter on a burn, except with bird oil and the severed umbilical cord.

I do miss the smell of a pre-ban pub though... I know smoking is a terrible thing and everything stank, but it's a very particular smell you never get anymore. Nostalgia is a dangerous drug too.

the craziest thing was when we were trying to enact smoking bans all the bar and restaurant owners bitched and bitched because they thought they'd lose customers.

A law professor told me that when he took the bar, the only spots available were in the smoking room of the test. As a smoker when I took the bar, I would have loved the option

I used to tell my brother that none of my friends cared whether men were bald or not, they just wanted to find a good guy with a sense of humor. He told me that I just had friends with elevated minds Ice scoffed. Then I watched sex and the city and saw what he was talking about.

But I remember when the smoking ban kicked in and suddenly realising how smelly many people were. Body odour and dirty clothes. I think levels of personal hygiene have also improved.

My grandfather's smoking resulted in the predictable end with him in the hospital with lung cancer. It was probably the longest he'd ever gone without smelling smoke. My mom came back in from having one and he was like: that stinks! Did I smell that bad? I have asthma and he, my mom and dad

forced me to breathe their constant smoke, making me sicker than I would have been. In the hospital, he told me it was hard for him to breathe. I said that I knew very well how it felt to not be able to breathe. It was like the light came on in his head for the first time. Smokers, man.

It was perfectly acceptable to put out all the cigarettes on the FLOOR of the bar. Not even in an ashtray. And the sidewalks were also littered with cigarette butts. And of course people smoked at work, in the office. I used to have to go buy Marlboro packs for my boss.

Indoor smoking is extremely disgusting. E-auctioned items often are labeled "from non smoking household" bc of this. Anecdote: Previous renters in a place I lived in smoked & didn't clean much. Hanging cupboards in kitchen had a layer of smoke infused grease thick enough to scrape off on underside.

I read an article recently on a complete ban of gas cars in some city, with a local explaining that, after a few months, they started to realize how much those car smelled. They can now detect by smell, a gaz car two blocks away.

Damn, I watched an old episode of a german tv show a few weeks ago and was looking like this o_O after the guy pulled the cigarette package out and started to smoke in a restaurant. But yeah it was normal back in time.

A year or two back my kids had some appointments in a building which clearly had been smoked in for decades. Even though it's been illegal to smoke indoors for a decade or two, you can still smell the remnants. But EVERYTHING smelled like that when i was a kid.

This is why I think the folks who reply to the “wasn’t life perfect in the 80s and 90s accounts are all like 25. Every place you went smelled bad. You could be out at the fanciest dinner of your life and someone sitting right next to you could just fire up a camel light

Both my parents smoked. There I am in the backseat of the car surrounded by haze. Not only did I have chronic bronchitis as a kid, but one my iirc 11th birthday I had to be taken to the hospital because I felt so awful. Diagnosis: pneumonitis.

I was in a random small French town awhile back and there was a group protesting the fact that vaping isn't allowed indoors. It's ridiculous how addicted to nicotine people are in Europe. It's like the one way that America's better.

It's funny that airliners still have a No Smoking light next to the Fasten Seatbelts light, except it's always turned on. Airplane lavatories *still* include ashtrays as a safety measure to prevent fires if someone lights an illicit cigarette despite the warnings. simpleflying.com/why-airplnes...

simpleflying.comThe Real Reason Why Airplanes Still Have Ashtrays In The LavatoryAirplanes keep lavatory ashtrays not for comfort but as a mandated, last-line safety tool—ensuring safe disposal of illicit lit cigarettes

As a kid I'd go to a little concert at a pub and come back stinking like hell. Never smoked anything, not even once, but I have old hacks for getting rid of the smell

Pretty sure the last time I went to a rock show with indoor smoking was Wire at the Double Door in 2003. Some jagoff in front of me had a cigar going for what felt like the whole show and boy was he pleased with himself about it. Waving it around, etc. Good riddance. Now let’s do it with guns

Amen. Now and then we'll get stuck behind the exhaust of some ancient vehicle and my kids have to listen all over again to me reminiscing that this stink, together with those of baked-in cigarette smoke and pesticides, made up the olfactory tapestry of my childhood.

People would smoke *everywhere* too. They'd eat part of their meal, smoke, then eat more of their meal. It was insane. People smoking on planes! Big cigars! Ashtrays on every desk at work. And yet if I suggest we provide more active travel help at work now, I'm literally laughed at.

Catalytic converters and other clean air measures made such a huge difference to air quality in LA. I think that's part of the reason why EV's are so relatively popular here: a desire to keep the air clean so we don't return to those days, rather than caring about climate change.

"As soon as she had disposed of her oxygen equipment, she lit a cigarette, her first since noon," 'Omnilingual', H. Beam Piper, 1957. Story is set on Mars... So much smoking, in a place where they have to make their oxygen.