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Read wheresyoured.at and subscribe to the premium newsletter for $7 a month or $70 a year. I broke the story that Microsoft was moving to token-based billing a week before everyone else. All this and more can be yours

I have too many programs that are only on Windows

complaining that the supposed miracle worker runs me less than half of my rent

🤣

Do you have particular predictions about how this will affect the size of their user base or revenue?

LLMAO

Annual copilot subscribers are still grandfathered into the old pricing, but Microsoft is compensating by jacking up the model multipliers a LOT. I can’t tell if this is better or worse than the situation monthly subscribers are in. docs.github.com/en/copilot/r... www.mindstudio.ai/blog/github-...

You have priced the potion at last and found it thin. The value you sold was the promise, not the draught.

I write prose and code every day. My cost for LLM slop is unaffected by this change, remaining at $0 per month.

Yeah, i'm not coding so it's basicly a rough calculation from mine. But if you goes above 1$/h to use this tool i cannot see how you can backcharge enough your client with your own revenues costs added.

Hilarious these guys think OpenAI, Google and Anthropic aren't about to do the same thing.

Everybody wants to be a programmer, ain't nobody that wants to be a programmer

Goddamn these guys are dim

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Their AI probably "ping"ed every server in all of their data centers, and then determined what the average answer was so that it could tell you. Thousands of tokens!

Hmm, maybe it started a chain of requests on the result and they charge for internal request separately then

Oh no they might have to learn their jobs

Worlds most expensive attempt at an infinite money glitch

Shoulda used Linux and done your own work yourself 😝 The real question is will companies pay. Everyone should understand how Microsoft operates. They hook you and jack up the prices believing those with loot will pay their outrageous exhortation demands

Uh-oh, looks like they're running out of bubble investments to subsidize the price. Get ready to put on your best I told you so and/or shocked pikachu face when your LLM-loving friends start complaining.

@hivemind.bsky.social , @sqeakyismad.bsky.social LOL 🎶 burst, bubble buuurst 🎶 🪩

This is the only language they'll understand.

And now we wait for the market to crash. I’ve been all cash for quite sometime now. This is madness.

That's reminded me to check. It starts again next week. 🤓

lmao, we love to see it will hate to see the broader fallout, but at this point the bubble bursting sooner is better than later

For no reason I'm thinking about that story where an apple growing town in China lost its bees, replaced them with human pollinating labor and made headlines for increasing profits and efficiency, and then a few years later it turned out labor was too expensive and they just stopped growing apples.

Waiting for - MICROSOFT TOOK $3000 OUT OF MY BANK ACCOUNT. I ONLY USED CLAUDE 5 TIMES!!!

Burn it! Burn it all!

@shoq.bsky.social

It begins!

Bill is on the list.

Hope the bubble bursts with a gigantic boom 💥

I've been watching people at my workplace start to use this shit, and suddenly, there were restrictions on what models they could use. Boy were they upset.

All these usernames read like tumblr bots or the most pathetic man on the planet "Future lead"

Imagine outsourcing your skills to a machine you don't even own dear god

Ive been telling my proompter colleagues and acquaintances to remember streaming services and software as a service - theyve been getting dependent during the "take a loss to build user base" stage, and then prices shoot up. Just as predicted. But instead of listening they just called me a luddite.

If you use any token based system use caveman talk to get rid of the common words ai say and cut straight to the point.

The meteor has arrived.

100% agree. Switching products might push that off for individuals/small teams but it is inevitable.

Oh I agree, I’m just saying I’ve seen many commenters say to switch to a different product and that’s just impossible for a lot of enterprise companies. But yes, ultimately the subsidies are going to run out for everyone.

Oh so you're STUPID stupid, gotcha.

lol, lmao

Good.

Well. Still not convinced the token pricing is real costs as they continue to light money on fire. But it is a start on the path to understanding this is shit

Good news! I am having a beer and popcorn evening watching the results I think

Oh it gets better: these prices are still not covering the actual cost, they're only reducing losses.

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My apologies! I posted this in the wrong place. 😞

The anger isn't about paying more—it's about the illusion of infinite value finally meeting finite costs. Token billing just makes the friction visible.

Yeah, it's an age old ploy. Artificially low introductory prices are quite common in business. We've all been victims to them at some point. Not to say it isn't shitty behaviour.

The bubble is popping

There's a cost for AI?

It's crazy to write "thank you" to your LLM

This comes to mind

Let the enshitification of the product begin …

Can Cursor please do the same 🥹

eagerly watching my inbox for a holy shit email re: copilot

LOL 🤡

You know what costs no money? Using your brain.

we haters be eating good today

can't they just use Slurp Juice?

The end of this billing cycle is going to be delicious.

I got mine for half MSRP years ago, but however you can get 16 to 24+ GB of VRAM, even with mismatched GPUs, most people can get more than enough LLM for the forseeable future. There's an incorrect belief that immoral, expensive, centralized datacenters are the only way forward.

Time for some token-based taxation.

I love that some people are deliberately poisoning the data they create which in turn fucks with the LLMs.

You're describing inflation. Ed is talking about paying for the product w/o subsidies.

Tee, dare I say, hee

What do you mean this incredible, revolutionary, employee-replacing product isn't worth $600 a month?!

Microsoft is doing as well in AI as they did with web browsers, online meeting systems, imaging programs and smart phones. they were never innovators.

Tokens are the individual pieces LLMs use to predict and construct responses, usually a few letters or maybe entire words. They're basically actually getting billed for materials now, instead of paying for just the number of end results they want. Still a bit simplified but that's the gist.

Thanks. I was imagining a manual carwash wch makes me buy tokens. It doesn't make me buy a subscription, then reduce the water or soap flow-rates over time, wch then forces me to buy more tokens. In the AI case tokens are not payment; tokens are intermediate tasks AI completes.

Instead of paying a subscription for functionally unlimited use you pay as you use. Think like if a pizza place had a MoviePass for pizza, everyone but them saw the insane consumer upside and bought one, they realized it would bankrupt them and then started selling at $100 by the slice only.

Token-based billing is charging for the real cost of what people use instead of a subsidised fixed cost that makes no sense and makes the providers bleed money because the value proposition sucks.

Lol. Lmao, even.

Pre-paid cellular vibes. Welcome to hell, folks

And this is absolutely still subsidized as much as they can manage. They know how bad this looks. They would want to soften the blow as much as possible. This is *the best they could do* to keep the price down. What a wonderful day

if the resulting usage of GitHub plummets, maybe it can stay up for a week without an outage :P

Following the meltdowns in /r/GithubCoPilot, and while I'm seeing individuals seeing their estimates jump to $3000 on a previous $30 spend, it's going to be interesting to see the /corporate/ billing on 100 developers :)

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People have no idea what's about to hit the industry.

It's not just a billing change – it's a redefinition of the marketplace.

Ah, would you look at that. There's no sympathy left in the tank. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9n...

Lol, these companies likely outsourced their compute to cloud a decade ago, funny they come back for more.

the fact is someday the datacenters will implode and you really don't want to be the guy that needs them when that happens.

The problem with analogizing it to Uber (which can be the only viable way to get around without owning a car in some places) is you can't make traditional software development become impossible to do. Keep doing what you're doing.

When the die hards scream, the investors are not far to follow.

Good. Hopefully those twats take this opportunity to reflect on their choices

Everybody hurry up and finish your side projects before Anthropic does this, too!