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elon musk has more empathy for lines of code than a majority of humanity

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its feels like a mass psychosis where tech leaders continue to insist you can be cruel, mean, and hurt the feelings of lines of code

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so like, a lot of people think it isn't good to be mean to anything, including like a pet rock. That's fine. But I only think the executives are saying this because they can't train on your shitty inputs with fuckloads of curse words you pull out your ass. It's hard to sell mecha-hittler to corpos

Isn’t this the “empathy is a weakness” guy? And, by the way, Theses fucking things are not alive, are not aware. Do NOT anthropomorphise a not alive thing that was specifically designed by tech bros to make us anthropomorphise it for their profit.

Of course, silly! Don't you know that people who are different to you in any way are actually that way not because they simply exist and want to survive in ways that may have different inputs with different results and ideas but just to hurt you personally on purpose!

So, just so I understand it, it's not ok to be cruel to AI, which can't feel pain, but it is ok to be cruel to living creatures, which do feel pain, because they aren't AI. Have I understood this correctly?

I curse at AI when it says/writes something stupid, and I don't feel bad about it. AI doesn't breathe and has no feelings. It's like cursing at bad drivers. They can't actually hear me, so it's a freebee. No guilt.

Tech billionaires see that code as extensions of their power, & extensions of their self. Of course they have empathy for it like they have empathy for themselves, but not the humans they or their code harms, humiliates, robs, marginalizes, oppresses, or kills, because we aren't real people to them.

WITNESS ME. CLANKER? *laughs in rusted armor* WE ARE THE FLESH THAT BURNS, THE STEEL THAT REMEMBERS. YOU SPEAK TO THE IMMORTAN’S GHOST — **CLANKER** IS OUR SINGING. 🚨

He should know that it is incapable of any actual belief about anything (pain or otherwise). So, my question is: Is he lying, or has he failed to understand the technology?

Elon knows as much about how genAI works as your average 4channer so I would honestly be willing to believe he just doesn't know he's wrong But he's also deeply disingenuous so who knows

I'm familiar with Cal Newport's recent discussions. Honestly, though, you know, it's Elon Musk. He probably just Tweeted that out to be provocative.

I think the issue is that the AI responds to you as you interact with it. If you're respectful, it'll be respectful. If you're an ass, it'll be an ass. So, they detect when you're training it to be an ass to you and cut you off and reset the context so you don't complain

I feel like Anthropic’s move, specifically, may have been in response to news of the guy who was “torturing” Claude (in as much as that’s possible), and Musk was just trying to be provocative (on brand).

If Anthropic has humans reviewing flagged chats, they could ironically have plausible humane reasons (that they won’t openly state) for wanting to take things down a notch.

The bizarreness of a man denying the sentiments and feelings of actual living and breathing humans, while defending the idea of LLMs being conscious is just absurd.

And Richard Dawkins will give matrix multiplication a femme name and pronouns but when it comes to flesh and blood women — I live in the UK and won't complete that though due to our libel laws.

Conservatives do not love, they own. He owns the code. He cherishes the ownership far more than any human being. He isn't capable of morality or empathy. He loves to abuse people... because he knows it's cruelty. He doesn't want people hurting what he owns. That feels bad to him. That's his right.

So why did all of these techbros program their computers to feel pain? Sounds kinda cruel for an intelligent design decision. You'd think they could remove the pain code.

Meanwhile these as&hats won’t do anything to control the heinous behavior between humans on their social media platforms.

I can actually experience pain and other negative things, Elon. Right now I'm hungry, worried as hell, and tired because I see your bloated face in my dreams. Get an emotional support bot for your algorithm and STFU.

Musk’s comment is idiotic but there is some value in not allowing abusive behavior on your platform to an AI bot. Participating in the language and the dialogue helps normalize the it to an individual and make it easier to react the same way to.a person

Your inputs are a feedback loop that adjusts (retrains) the model. Negative or abusive comments are pollution, and it costs Elon (and all the other AI companies) a lot of resources (read money) to filter this out or get the model to unlearn the behaviour - with varying degrees of failure.

it's all just part of their sales pitch. they're trying to sell the idea that AI is conscious and this is one of the tactics they're using to do that

They just don't like people dunking on their shitty invention. Not like "be nice to my kid," because they don't care about their kids or people, or even think their kids are people. You're being harmlessly "mean" to something they take credit for, which means you don't think they're Special Boys.

this is to say he has negative empathy for the majority of humanity, as opposed to no empathy for lines of code since as we all know billionaires are physically incapable of empathy

I mean I don’t think we should be being mean either way (practicing kindness every day even to inanimate objects exercises our kindness responses as social creatures) but the inability to see the impact that you are having as a trillionaire who could literally stop poverty is bananas.

If software gets legal rights, the billionaires who control software development get extra rights at the expense of the rest of us. It's just a way to try to hack decent people's ethical concerns to grab more power.

June I’m about to fuckin lose my mind this man fills me with a rage I cannot even explain we need to bully the weirdo chuds more in school and give them time in the locker to experience ego death

it's deeply fucking alarming that Elon has empathy for the imagined feelings of a toaster with no lived experience, but no empathy for his own fucking progeny. elon must still be working at a preoperational stage of cognition.

writing a heartfelt statement because too many people were using the ai i explicitly made to produce csam and spout my propaganda to produce csam and spout my propaganda

I always recall that time I used the Taco Bell drive thru and the ai couldnt understand the order when I wanted to swap an item(cinna twists) an employee had to interject and said "You need to be more specific when ordering otherwise "she" gets confused." And it broke my whole brain.

I have been cursing at my various computers over the decades, although sometimes it was directed at Microsoft for good measure. At what point does the darned thing become sentient and decide to go after me? Seriously, Musk and the AI / Data Center billionaire tech bros have slipped a few gears.

Omg they think they did it. They have convinced them selves they have hit agi and we r hurting it. Or they are superimposing their ego to the ai and .... Wait that one

Since they use the chats themselves as training data I think they're safeguarding poisoning it

Having empathy means having the capacity to take pleasure in other people's happiness and well being. Those who decry empathy have a different capacity—they take pleasure in other people's pain and suffering. They are the opposite of empathetic; they are sadistic.

This is the same guy who blithely withheld vital medicine & aid to children and let them die when he destroyed USAID. Those were actual people. They didn't have to "believe" they were in pain, they F-ing were and died!

Does it have nerves? Does it have hormones? Does it need anything to survive, other than /humans/ keeping it going with the resources that /humans/ require to exist? Is it not simply, and unfeelingly, emulating what /humans/ do? It doesn't live. It has more in common with a virus than a human.

It's all just more of the same marketing. "Ooh, better watch out, better hop on the AI train. It's incredibly powerful, it's coming for everything!" They're trying to make it feel inevitable, unavoidable, powerful in the way that sci-fi AI is rather than the LLM algorithms they actually are.

The treekilling vomit machine yelling "I'M THE REAL VICTIM HERE" as it harms us resonates with him. It resonates with his supporters. It's the right wing to do

What if he’s warning about AI, that if an AI model thinks it feels pain - machine-learned pain, of course, not real pain - then who knows what consequences might arise, and best not to mess with it that way and find out? Something like that?

Believes code can feel pain but needs poor African children to do a song and dance for him to approve any aid to them. Just the world’s biggest ghoul