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See, though, it's displaying attitudes exactly like this one that make us think maybe you haven't learned any lessons after all.

get a load of this guy

I mean, I agree this is counterproductive. Welcome them to the cause. But at the same time, if that person had spent a decade screaming at you that you're a complete idiot who is destroying the country - I'd sympathise if you didn't personally invite them round for brunch.

I say this isn’t a thread about the merits of veganism

oh piss off

I have to say I stand by saying it when people realise the Trident we spent many billions on is useless if the US refuses to maintain it.

Youre seriously comparing state sanctioned murders to going vegan? The fuck is wrong with you

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Going vegan is a choice that has zero consequences to others in the real world. Going Nazi means people fucking die. If that's your basis for comparison, you're probably an unbearable asshole to begin with.

“What to the Vegan is a Ham Sandwich?”

If that stops them from being vegan then they never were in the first place dumbass

Do you get paid to be this stupid or is it just you?

Mark Twain Huckleberry Finn ‘Haint we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain’t that a big enough majority in any town?’

So your favorite quote about American politics is a joke that most of us are dumb? I'm shocked more people don't listen to you. Shocked.

And that attitude is why we look back fondly on the presidential administration of Adalai Stevenson.

a hog that hates itself or hates its neighbors would love that quote. it gives the ENTIRE game away and you're clapping for it like a rube (unless you fancy yourself a music man)

Infinitely.

Even a superficial look at what it means for a coevolving animal to (ever so slowly) become a technological animal shows this quip to be quite other than satire: www.extremophilechoice.com/2025/04/01/c...

So he won, right?

the problem isn't that people can't think it's that some people believe that it's impossible for a thinking person to disagree with them and that means they assume that anyone who does disagree must be a member of the irrational out group Other

Smug bs

i mean you write for the FT is it surprising you like stories that are fake and designed to make rich assholes feel smug

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Counter-counterpoint: take the L and be just sit down. You want us to cheer you on because you started thinking for yourself...no thanks. Welcome to reality now how about you just quiet down and let the people who told you so tell you some more. You arent the hero of the story bub...

Also, what even is the argument supposed to be? That calling the right fascists isn't a popular thing? That not doing the most inhuman policies is the only way to get votes?

It’s also apocryphal that Trump claimed to love Republican voters because they’re so dumb. It just feels true.

"Come on you stupid woke libs nows not the time for purity test" Ft

F off, you self-righteous Berk.

here’s the thing — being wrong is, in many cases, an evil act. and you know it, that’s why you’re so defensive about it. if you truly realize you were wrong, you must admit fault and work to earn forgiveness. you, of course, and people like you, are too venal for that. too selfish, too greedy

Your favorite quote about politics is a condescending and ableist quip that insults the mental capacity of voters from nearly a century ago? Well, that's certainly revealing.

Perfect, isn’t it?

I knew that getting an account here was a bad idea. It's my fault.

Just to be clear, this is you saying "I'm a fucking dumbass who will vote for the nazis if you're not nice enough to me."

My favorite quote about politics is "fuck you"

You write propaganda for the FT lol.

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Oh because you’re mad that people aren’t welcoming the “both sides are the same” people into the fold after their attempts to normalize Trump have all flopped 👍

Harsh but fair…apparently…🌻

I really miss Simon Hoggart.

I mean, if you're saying that to a person who published an article titled "Where Vegans Went Wrong" a year ago I think a bit of opprobrium is warranted

are you minimizing ppl that endrosed litteraly nazi ideas? are you ?

We *have* been telling them so, in fact. And many of the people we’ve been telling so, have made considerable money for what they said. Great that they’ve changed their minds. But there’ll be pressure to forget — and to let those folks go on profiting. That’s what worries me.

we've all encountered white liberalism before and the assumption that anyone who doesn't welcome it must be irrational/uneducated/uncivilised

oh boy thank you,

The number of idiots on this thread all agreeing w the OPs dogshit take is quite something. 🤡

These motherfuckers want a high five for figuring out, in the 3rd quarter, that fascism is bad.

It makes more sense to welcome good decisions, even when late and even when taken years earlier by some.

Omigod what a whiny bitch. Maybe instead of being for s consolation prize, you could shit the fuck up and listen to the people who demonstrably know better than you

Even very generously giving him the benefit of a doubt his “too many signs of classical fascism were absent” alone should disqualify him from any political writing job.

*Waking up the next morning* *Sees massive number of notifications* "Huh, I wonder what tha.." "Oh. Oh no. Oh *NO*" ---- I can hope, but wouldn't put money on it.

that's pretty much how most vegans behave ...

Going Vegan or not, is not the same as siding with fascists until we are on the verge of civil war, then thinking “not for me anymore“.

It would probably go fine because when you make a choice borne of your own conviction, you don’t get riled up about what mildly annoying people have to say about it. If the person respond by eating a filet mignon out of spite, they weren’t good vegans to begin with (I’m not a vegan at all).

Vegans are dumb and shouldn’t be elected, veganism was stupid until I came around to it, my veganism will only last until that guy who stops running around biting chunks of flesh off of live animals, and he’s here because vegans were not nicer to meat eaters. Dumb vegans still won’t listen to me.

Grew up vegan, life long vegetarian. This is a heinously embarrassing thing you wrote for everyone to see. Reexamine your values. Comparing your dietary choices to people who have been targets of this system for hundreds of years while being ignored could be a place to see your mistakes and change

*says* grumble

Is Mance a portmanteau of man and ponce

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It's just so odd how the fuck-your-feelings crowd is so tender in their feeeeeelings. Who knew? It's most important just to keep the topic on what is HAPPENING.

maybe if you werent such a bitch people would like you more

Harassing vegans is morally okay idk what to tell you

Have you spent the last 10 years extolling the virtues of meat and calling vegans names?

It's okay. You're perfectly free to be stupid for the sake of not admitting you spent months or maybe even years licking fascist boot because you honestly believed the fash would never go after the likes of you. Just stop trying to make that everybody else's problem, kid. Grow up.

Weapons-grade "How can you tell if someone you meet is a vegan?" bit, *genuinely* impressive.

is the premise of this that vegans don’t take the opportunity to let people know they are vegan and how long they have been vegan? because in my experience vegans love doing that.

when you see a brown smudge on the street you taste it to confirm that it's fæces

Man, I don't even dislike vegans but you are making this too easy

This isn't a counterpoint. It's a petty deflection, and I think you know that. This isn't just folk learning at their own pace. Many refused to learn/adapt, and it fucked us. The people who gifted y'all warnings were viciously lied about and disparaged for *years.* That has social consequences.

You do you but I gotta point out no one has ever been shot in the street resisting tyranny because you became vegan and actively lobbied large populations to be vegan too

If that person has personally said that veganism is impractical and unrealistic insanity and that vegans are dangerous idiots, and still maintains that veganism was a stupid idea until now, and existing vegans are still suspect, then the analogy will fit.

You are, were, and continue to be a shitty person who just happens to realize that the things you were in favor of for other people suck when applied to people you relate to. You're a cad and a mollycoddle, feckless and soft of both body and wit. Repent with your whole body or not at all.

Are they actively trying to dominate the conversation about veganism and dictate how people who have been vegans for decades should approach living cruelty and exploitation-free? Are they insisting that it's really the vegans' fault they didn't understand? If so, you tell them to kick rocks!

You know what…you are too much😍😍😍😉😉😉🤭🤭🤭😘😘😘

Vegans do say that shit lmao

With the first one I kind of got where you were coming from, but wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

You know there’s a lot of replies here explaining the reactions you’re mad about, but you seem to be ignoring them in favour of just arrogantly deciding everyone else is too stupid and evil to teach you anything.

😒🙄 Bruh, someone already did this bit....

You guys do that anyway

You can't be this tone deaf. Seriously.

Wow, so I am guessing alot of people are pointing out that it should depend on the situation, like someone being complicit with an authoritarian regime should not be just let off the hook. Cause now you've wandered into false equivalence territory.

A white man was shot. Now is the time for everyone to forget everything I ever said before and instead recognize my bravery and courage in only NOW not loving the concept of oppressive state violence.

Exactly. This isn't "I didn't get it, now I do." This is "I got it, I just supported it until now, when I'm also at risk." Anyone coming over that doesn't abhor what they used to be is still at least partially on the side of "Actually, some killings are okay, just not so many."

Except vegetables don’t kidnap 5 years, separate them from their parents, and send them to countries in which they have never lived. Fuck off w these weak ass disingenuous bullshit.

This is literally the "agree to disagree is okay for different food opinions, but it doesn't work for moral differences" argument.

A lot of journos and commentators had a little list of the characteristics of fascism, assuring that no, he hasn't checked them all off so it's not fascism yet. They tick all the boxes when it's too late.

If someone only just decided to go vegan and began giving you advice on how to be a good vegan or started telling you why you should be vegan- how would you react to that?

Counterpoint You: I love the guy threatening to hit me Me: Are you sure? You: I love the guy threatening to hit me Me: That's a bad idea. You: The guy threatening to hit me, hit me. Me: Told you so. You: "I will just shout 'SOME OF US HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS' at them and see how it goes."

You're equating veganism to fascism? You don't have a lot of friends, do you?

I am happy if someone goes vegan because it's not particularly consequential that they weren't. When it comes to an autocrat takeover and the destruction of civil society, I say they better wise the fuck up before it's too late and damn them to hell for being so stupid.

Here‘s an example of someone taking real accountability and doing repair work: bsky.app/profile/did:... Journalists who are now just coming to the realization that Trump is a fascist may learn from Rev Schenck:

You’re right in the Persuasion Tactics sense but the stakes are high enough that I think it’s on specifically late comers with large opinionated platformers to eat a bit of humble pie with a side of righteous frustration.

It's ok Henry, my kid struggles with analogies as well.

I think if you had any honor, you'd admit to being woefully unqualified for a job where you give your opinions.

I genuinely think you should lose your job as a journalist with takes this bad

Vegan wine is better for your health!

not doing much to counter the stereotypes, are you chief

Oh yeah, that is the same thing...../s.

Have you not heard a vegan talk before because thats how yall talk.

Jesus christ you are a fragile man 🙄 People aren't quick to accept those kinds of apologies because rarely if ever is there any acknowledgement of the people you basically called hysterical for years & even if there is it takes time to rebuild trust and fits like the one youre throwing- bad look.

Thank you for demonstrating how much you don't get it and validating all of the criticism against you.

Hell yeah 😂

They'll think you're a jerk, but might recognize that they should listen to other sooner.

Very few people are gonna see that second post because you picked the most shit-head snob way to make your point.

Don't y'all already do that?

It's not that we've been saying it for years. It's that liberals and centrists demonized us for doing so. Told us we were worthless, below worthy of consideration. We were told to shut up and be thankful we got to vote for right-wingers. Liberals shamed and shunned us for being right.