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I do think “every rich person went insane during covid because it was the first time they’ve been inconvenienced in decades” felt a little reductive at first but damn if isn’t more and more compelling as the years drag on

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They made their money from the premise that society would instantly collapse if the wheels of capitalism/ industry paused for even a second. Then we turned them off and it didn’t collapse. Instead we relearned the importance of things like family and community. This is them fixing that “mistake”.

I don't think Covid changed people, I think it _revealed_ people, and once they have been seen (and seen themselves) they don't feel the need or the feasibility of going back to performative social niceties.

I agree regarding the effect of lockdowns, but also covid itself made our brains foggy, for some temporarily and for others more permanently. We are all collectively a little crazier and a little more feeble-minded in the aftermath. I hope we can collectively recover.

Watching normal people shatter like glass after two weeks of being unable to eat microwaved slop at Applebees brought my success of surviving decades of isolation brought on by bipolar depression in to razor sharp focus. I could not believe how quickly the normies *broke*. How little it took to

bring them to distress when I'd lived that isolation for year on year. I will never forget the lesson learned. Not at all coincidentally I still wear an N95 mask every day in every public place. Because, I think, I am in some sense stronger than them. Or maybe just meaner. I don't like thinking

it's such a great litmus test tho. a simple probing mention of 'lockdown/covid' to them, like even a fun memory you had, will quickly turn them into a resentful/sour mood where they lament that time that was lost. like i'm over here happy to be alive? kinda?

I remember trying my damnedest not to expose myself or my wife to COVID while trying to make sure those "essential staff" weren't needlessly exposed either by my actions. The folks that saw all that going on and basically said "fucke em" are still out there. You can't unsee that.

So true. And every single American receiving Covid checks with no strings attached created a level field of buying groceries without shame. I think that was the biggest case study on how good the USA could be given more respect to everyone.

I enjoyed the "lock down" because there was no actual lock down. I could leave my home freely and walk in nature or my neighborhood. Maybe I'm just too much of an introvert to get it. I think a certain class of manager needs to have people physically present to order around. They hated it.

And I know I'm conflating this with remote work and the "RTO" backlash, but this was a big part of the corporate response. What should have been seen as the first successful field test of remote tech on a large scale was reinterpreted as coddling workers. Control freak managers wanted them back.

So many variations im sure. First we saw the "hey, rdhis could save us money!" Yay, smaller,or maybe even no offices. Then the horror....it suddenly dawned on the business world that "managers" actually do *fk all, and they could be slashed and burned too. Cant have that! Back to the office!

Funny how the supposed benefits of water cooler* talk are suddenly not that important when everything can be done with "AI agents." Physical human serfs: good, disembodied AI slaves: better, humans working remotely: "COVID-era privilege" *Water coolers are definitely a feature of modern offices.

It feels like the consensus, no matter what side you were on, were very much going “We don’t give a fuck” when a rich person also erroneously claimed that “oh gee we’re suffering too!” Remember the incredibly tone deaf “imagine” cover some Celebs did? They decided to make it society’s problem.

In the UK it was funny because we had aristocrats living without servants for the first time and suddenly realising how vulnerable they were as they had to figure out basic things like how to prepare food.

Yes, most medical experts, first responders and people who understood that COVID effects were not known. Its easy in retrospect to say it was an overreaction because it didnt wipe out a massive segment of people and didnt cause the hospital system to collapse from overload.

Also, it's not that some weren't calling this out in real time. DeSantis, for example, was pushing to open quicker, did open quicker, and, in retrospect, looks prescient now. I'm not a DeSantis supporter, but I also think it's important to call out those that got some things right.

True here in Oz. ‘Normal’ rules they just ignore or buy their way out of. Restricting movement during Covid hit them harder than the rest of us who mainly obey rules for a better community.

It dovetails with the already-established pipeline of propaganda, which leads the Boomer generation to support those same rich people. Boomers lost their minds, when they couldn't go out and annoy barbers and food service employees, and they were happy to believe it was a conspiracy against them.

Broadly, the Boomer generation had also gone decade after decade, never being told "no" about anything. And they attributed it to "we always worked for what we had," without stopping to consider the details of how wages have stagnated, college costs have soared, manufacturing jobs fled, etc.

So they were always vulnerable to this weak-ass propaganda about how "nobody wants to work anymore." I realize people will accuse me of stereotyping, but as I always remind people: this conversation is PRECISELY the same as feminist conversations about the patriarchy.

If your intention is to say "not all Boomers," you're just as big an asshole as anyone barging into a conversation about men, in general terms, to say "not all men, etc." If you're a Boomer who has always voted against the GOP, assume we're not talking about you. If you're an ally, act like it.

Ok because here in Dallas, which is extremely segregated (Black and Hispanic south, white and Asian north) I never saw a bare face south of the river. All of the nonsense and entitled BS was firmly up north.

The fact that they were already sociopathic parasites utterly lacking in basic human empathy or any sense of obligation to a social contract or any value of community to begin with, by virtue of being rich in the first place couldn't have helped either.

I don’t talk about this much, because it would be offensive and insulting to those who got really sick or died, but I’m an introvert who loves to make music and art from home, so Covid was a really fantastic time for me personally

Yeah, same, it was GOOD for me as i avoid crowds and my personal space is about 2 metres, or pref, no people at all, trauma thing. It helped me get used to just being in public spaces, like therapy of sorts.

The restoration of the usa as an actual proper country is seen as all but impossible. For this reason, it's possible that the next President will be a woman. We sometimes get sent in 'when all else fails'. This phenomenon is known as the 'glass cliff'.

Wealthy fucks are still the only ones I hear complaining about it. I was shopping for people during it, mixing with the common rabble. I'm still glad to be alive and to have only caught Covid post-vax. But yeah, yhe wealthy seem stuck back there mentally when I deal with them now.

They are acting traumatized by having to wear face masks and not hold big fucking parties that they did anyway. They were more mad about the shutdowns than people who work paycheck to paycheck. Money is stupid.

Yeah I think people underestimate how MAGA-fied Gen X is. Boomers are actually pro-MAGA, whereas Gen X is mocking and cynical about any real civic engagement (“both sides are bad! “) My sis and her husband are that kind of Trump voter. Boomers are dying but Gen X is in most institutions

The problematic cohort isn’t Boomer or Gen X. According to several studies I’ve seen, the most MAGAish folks were born between 1961 and 1975. I call it Generation Douchebag. (Was born in 1966 and have dealt with them all my life.)

Just because a lot of people are responding I want to make clear that I don’t actually like the way generational division has become almost a new form of prejudice. I just do also think that the stereotype of the boomer MAGA type obscures MAGA types in other generations

I feel like I have to be outside or have moving air around me now from COVID, so I could see other people losing it in worse ways. A conscience is a terrible thing to lose, though.

Was listening to Bill Burrs podcast yesterday and a fan emailed in saying that the weathly elite get special classes at the legacy institutions on how to manipulate society economically etc. Cause bill gates daughter exposed it kinda. Doesn’t seem so far fetched now

I think it's linked to why comfortable suburbanites turn into Dracula on Nextdoor re: visible homelessness. their discomfort is, like, the primary sin of our age, and any and all sources of that discomfort must be removed from sight and consideration post haste

I guess the connection is that for many people that have had relatively sheltered lives it's the first political issue that you don't just read about in the news but you "see outside your window" so you go "no this one is different, it's actually real"

Yeah, the things that finally impact their reality even a tiny bit and it's a five-alarm freakout - notably not to fix anything, just to get it out of sight ASAP no matter the human cost

"treating cops like customer service" is something only privileged people do. If you've ever been rightly scared of what the police might do to you just for being poor, or a minority, or gay, or some other outgroup, then you are almost certainly not going to think of them as a "service" you can use.

He lost his mind. Even Marc Cuban cousins handle the very mild pushback with facts from average people who know what they’re talking about regarding policy and economics. It was an ego blow

It’s bigger than that. Twitter and other social media made the 1% hear that average people aren’t buying their self-serving BS. They got pushback when in their daily lives they get nothing but glazing. It made SV tech guys and hedge fund managers go nuts. (See: Bill Ackman’s entire Twitter comments)

I brought this up to my adult son during covid...and I told them the wealthy are hella pissed off and we will end up paying for it. Sure enough, we have ever since. With AI and the data center bullshit, it will only get worse. They would prefer we didn't exist at all.

I know someone who rented a condo at a ski resort for the spring so the kids could get some exercise and outdoor fun while doing school online. It was an Inconvenience.

Ever become an informer? Cute imagination but the worst disaster of your life already happened. You are not going to live through more interesting times. You learned what you would be like in an emergency, in an apocalypse, you'd be bitter, recalcitrant and unhelpful.

Not just that they were inconvenienced. I think it was also realizing how despite their billions they all just looked like normal people without hair, makeup, camera, and trappings. The same shitty Webcam interview setups across the board. A thousand people who could do your job better.

Agreed. And in the first read though of your post, I thought it referred to the rich as reductive and honestly, I think that’s actually correct too. They weren’t just inconvenienced. They were sidelined and made to feel diminished.

That and the “racial reckoning” that summer of 2020 broke a whole lot of brains. People decided they’d never face a consequence *ever again* and here we are 😡

I think they were already increasingly upset that business, a great refuge of the authoritarian personality, was being told not to discriminate, not to let workers get killed even when it might be cheaper, imposing the costs of polluting the commons back on them etc, on top of taxation.

And Lords vs Serfs, rich need the poor to stay poor so they remain stay rich so Serfs were forced to work no matter poor health, which kept the dynamic in place. During Covid, we Serfs were forced to stay at home, thereby threatening the Lords wealth status bc it’s not sustainable if we can’t work.

Yup. He was a little weird before that but that was when I stopped wishing I could afford a Tesla. I can, now, and much prefer my Kia EV6. It's never locked me out or spied on me.

yes, besides killing many people the spanish flu and the other pandemic of the same time period Encephalitis Lethargica (1915–1927): Often called "sleepy sickness destabilized so much trust that added synergistically to the lack of trust after world war 1. But also the kids marty for spanish flu

made lots of kids orphans killing their parents (also world war 1) while the second pandemic (same time period) kills a third of children and another third develop long term consequences for it destroys the dopamine pathways of the brain making them less efficient. we now call it

Post-Encephalitic Behavior Disorder (PBD), but in the 1920s to 1940s we called it "Brain-Injured Child Syndrome," which later evolved into "Minimal Brain Dysfunction" (MBD) ( this is related but different than ADHD and ADD, we first discovered the larger group of people …

I would think WWI would have been more disruptive than influenza. Also in contrast with covid where new case counts would go up and down but never came anywhere near zero until wide spread adoption of the vaccine which took until late 2022, 1918 H1N1 came in distinct waves like any flu.

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that specific influenza epidemic, much like covid, was a mass disabling event. and you’ll never guess the first vulnerable group to get systemically eradicated by 20th-century fascism. 🙃

I find the parallels (and departures) oddly comforting. What stayed the same: the rich felt vindicated in their exceptionalism and need to separate from the poor. What's different: zero effort to update infrastructure to limit infections. I would also take Coolidge/Hoover over Trump any day.

I deal with at least one ultra wealthy individual in a professional capacity. He doesn't react well to his computer telling him "No". Or not getting his own way, at all, ever .

Let them live on government assistance well under the poverty line like they force on me for being disabled. They have to do the paperwork for it too. If they touch their assets for anything (nothing is frozen, they can at any time) %90 tax forever and %20 goes directly into social safety nets.

i think we were supposed to learn that we need each other but the wisdom does not seem to have seeped through

It also has to do with the identity of who was telling them know and the identities of who was being perceived as being helped. Being told “No,” and “(because) those lives also matter” created a sustained movement. It’s YOU’re not the boss of ME.

It’s so weird because having all those resources during height of Covid means they didn’t have to suffer idk fearing losing their home and yet they’re the victims (talking to the choir I just hateeeee them)

Inconvenienced? When poor people got the stimulus, they used it to pay for rent and food. The middle class used it to buy TVs and pokemon cards. But all that stimulus money eventually ended up in the hands of the rich, who used it to buy "assets". The rich have never been better!

agreed but also, society as a whole suddenly had to make choices about who was an "essential worker" who had to be there or everything falls apart, and who wasn't, and could frankly fuck off for months or even years without anyone noticing. and they couldn't avoid seeing which category they were in.

Lockdown also showed who was actually vital - not the executive class or wealthy elite but the workers, teachers, creatives, medical staff and so on. The "little people." Hence the elite's violent push against workers' rights as well as the attempts to devalue professional creatives post-lockdown.

This is my theory for why white peoples accept TSA despite it being awful. They know brown/black peoples will always be treated worse and be inconvenienced greater.

Los Angeles DMVs have longer wait times than average (or at least they did pre-covid) and that's where popular media writers live! same reason sitcoms have inexplicable pink donut boxes -- Los Angeles donut boxes are traditionally pink.

One of the things Americans living in Europe complain about is bureaucracy, and I'm like "no, this is normal bureaucracy, you just can 'tier' or 'privatize' your way around it."

It's also incredibly easy to make the DMV painless if you just plan ahead, but so many people expect to just walk in and be served immediately while they present, like, their credit card as a form of ID

both of the DMV/RMV offices I've been to also have, like, a side desk away from the main line where someone will check docs/answer questions/distribute forms precisely because THEY don't want to deal w your unpreparedness either. like you don't even need to perfectly plan ahead just Not Have Hubris

I accidentally smiled in my CA DL picture (the guy in line behind me made me laugh) and they got really mad. I was like, so retake it, but they wouldn’t They also got my hair color wrong I was like ‘I don’t think that’s how I filled it out?’ They got mad & said CHP knows people use dye & refused to

I have to give kudos to California DMV. They instituted a virtual line so that you go online and fill in the blanks and you are placed in line. You can check your status at any point. Using this tool, I was in and out of DMV in 20 minutes.

I think there is a grain of truth to this. I also want to point out that, for some reason, the DMVs in Los Angeles (where half the hack TV joke writers live) is 1000x worse than the DMVs anywhere else I have lived. I've spent 4+ hours at the DMV before in LA, it's not normal.

I my neck of the woods they allow businesses to do a lot of dmv stuff with a fee. You go to the express place pay extra to get on with your life. It was a bit shocking to get to "business friendly" Texas and explain to people that there was another way.

Same in Louisiana. I can renew my driver's license for a slightly higher fee and be in and out quickly or I can sit all day and wait at the DMV

It also helps that depending on where you live, the DMV actually is awful I grew up thinking it was another joke along the lines of "I hate my wife ha ha!" that was just awful people complaining, and then I moved from ruralish Illinois to urbanish Massachusetts and oh boy the DMV sucks there

They can’t *entirely* buy their way out, but many DMV services are actually available at AAA offices. A lot of people don’t seem to know that, though, even if they have AAA.

ya i think for them the difficult process is the point. they don't want to make it 'easy' for people to receive those benefits. in their brains, it's like "well shit, fine. i gotta give you gov't benefits? ima make it SUPER HARD" <folds arms, frowns> i hate it here.

There are rules in place. If you read them and follow them to the letter no matter how ridiculous they are, it gets you through the red tape. Because the person on the other side does not give two shits about you, just that the boxes have been ticked. This frustrates the hell out of people.

(and this isnt a knock on us struggling to survive, i know the rules are there sometimes on purpose to frustrate people, more on the people who think they are above the rules)

and also one of the only places where you have to interact with average citizens last time I was there a lady was yelling mad that her costco card wasn't a valid form of government ID

Interesting perspective; the fragility of the super rich is clear to see. So common how when select groups of people either grow up being told they are “better” than ‘others’ or acquire ridiculous wealth; they suddenly believe they become gatekeepers of what ‘others’ are allowed to do & be.

They were already insane. They hate when regular people defy them. They hated Unionization. They hated the hippies protesting Vietnam and consumerism. They hated that they couldn’t work people to death during a pandemic. They hate ANY limits to their power. They want to be gods of a dead world…

Maybe. I feel it was Luigi, however, and the discourse that followed (people probably shouldn't profit from the suffering of others) that really freaked them out. So much so, that they gave the keys to the worst people imaginable and said "whatever it takes to keep us rich people safe"

I think it’s not just COVID I think Gen Ai also contributes a lot to the current psychology of rich people. Theyre in a complete sunk cost fallacy mindset that has blind faith that it will improve everything for them is as they drain everyone’s resources for it.

Normal people too. Just look at the conspiracy shit people immediatly started to believe to get away from the simple reality of "Sorry bro, we don't want even more people to die, so we need to restrict your freedom of spreading the virus openly."

In our household have been floating fair tribunals for everyone on TV with "Real Housewives of..." vibes. (I get to decide who qualifies) They could choose asset confiscation and exile to an island with ok amenities or do a full time caring jobs. No mucking about or they get sent to the island.

The Chris Hayes pod had a point this week about tech becoming a mature industry with lots to lose which shifted politics more right as it became about holding onto vs taking power. IMO this shifted the class more right because within uber wealthy ideologies cohered there.

Nah. Black Lives Matter showed them how close they were to a revolution while they were shown that they’re mortal at the same time People went outside to protest while a deadly virus was present Thats not „inconvenienced“

They discovered that working people were essential and they weren’t. That shocked and horrified them. Since then they’ve set out to eliminate this problem. Meanwhile, workers once again failed to grasp the implications.

Democrats rebranding as socialist is at an all time high. Still a duel Zionist country under Democratic Socialism. We the American fodder are brainwashed nationalists fuel of the elite.

Not just this, but I'm beginning to suspect that if you were unlucky, surviving those early covid strains might've randomly left you with various minor permanent neural disruptions, making claims of "lockdown drove people crazy" more literal than we'll know until more research piles up...

Like, if you can lose your sense of taste, or get permanently exhausted, who's to say some folks aren't now just 10% more irritable or prone to depression in the wake of an infection?

maybe if more elites realize they have long covid they’ll invest money in finding a cure. But the richest people are less likely to have lc. Some did get it tho. We have at least one senator with it and he’s not doing all that much about it.

The CEO of the company I worked for at the time needlessly purchased a warehouse because he couldn’t handle working remotely, and worked out of the warehouse

We had ours in Canada, I felt the same but for white men, they are the least used to be told what to do! Their tiny brains could not handle it and the rest of us had to pay. It is so fucked up that society is run by these weaklings

Yep they did. For the first time in probably decades or their whole lives they couldn't just pay some amount of money to make a problem go away. And that caused some to go off a cliff psychologically.

I'm reminded of the scene in "Titanic" where John Jacob Astor screeches "When can we get UNDERWAY, dammit!" as Captain Smith stands by silently and Thomas Andrews delivers the awful truth that the ship will founder, and Astor just sort of refuses to accept it.

IIRC, it was Cal, actually. And Rose is there, too, which prompts her to flip out on Cal about half the people on the ship will die, and.. Well, Billy Zane delivered the next line, perfectly. "Not the better half." (Hi, you triggered my teenage special interest!)