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This lawsuit is brutal. One of the exhibits is the letter Universal sent to Midjourney, including a quote from a 2022 Forbes interview that I bet midjourney regrets

Reuters Legal@legal.reuters.com

Walt Disney and Comcast's Universal filed a copyright lawsuit against Midjourney on Wednesday, calling its popular AI-powered image generator a "bottomless pit of plagiarism" for its use of the studios' best-known characters.

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Years back, after a merger that brought the company I was working for into Disney, we got sent contracts. My favorite bit was the section that specified what we weren't allowed to take off of Studio (yes, it was capitalized) property. It got as granular as dead batteries and scrap lumber.

Enough concerns got raised about those contracts that we got told by our own higher-ups that they were taking it back to Legal, and until we got further word, DON'T SIGN ANYTHING. We never got new ones. But I vow I never stole any scrap lumber. (May have acquired a few pens, though.)

Somehow I fail to feel any sympathy here. What, it's unreasonable to ask for permission for every picture you want to use? Then don't use it. Your learning model only needs to know how to draw something you're forbidden to draw to, well, draw something you're forbidden to draw.

Us small scale creators still have to do it for every single piece we want to use in a work of our's. Heck, we also have to ask, and even pay, you for using an AI creation of your's. Don't we? GenAI can be done the right way and is. Large scale theft just to avoid some inconvenience is not the way.

It's limiting the product? Well, yes, it is. So what? Like every little creator is limited in what other works they can use and create based on that. No company ever complained about the existence of license fees, while it was them getting paid. You're asking for license fees, too. Are you not?

Yeah they're suing Midjourney for infringing IP including the Minions, Star Wars, Marvel and Shrek. Joke as we might about any of these properties but this is like stealing from the mob and telling the media you can't help doing it

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Funny as it is to watch Disney spend $2500 to define How To Train Your Dragon's "Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III," you do this when you are planning to rip a company in two for copyright infringement. In this case, Midjourney is being sued by two of the most powerful IP holders in history. Not good!

This is completely short-sighted. If Midjourney can't train on Minions, there will never be a way to generate Pregnant Minions — indistinguishable from official Minions art — at any significant scale.

The funny thing is the chuds that use AI explicitly want to be able to copy thier favorite work because they lack imagination and creativity. So it's not even like Midjourney can tweak the AI to change the output a little so it's not a direct copy, cause that's literally what they are selling.

Damn, it's a shame that back in the '90s when the MPAA and RIAA were suing the pants off of file-sharers, nobody thought of the "there's a lot of content and it's just so HARD to figure out who, if anyone, it belongs to" defense.

We were tracing back people's posted art LONG before you could do a reverse image search. Hell, there were whole social media wars over not giving someone credit when it was actually difficult to know who made something. Now? Simple reverse image search and poof, info.

Everyone knows you don't cross the Mouse. EVERYONE. The Mouse always finds out, and the Mouse always comes to collect. And I'm gonna sit here and drink my water and watch the tag team rip Midjourney to pieces before they move on to the next one.

The way I see it is not just about those two behemoths, but about the (potentially beneficial) side effects for the artists’ community at large whose art has also been turbo grifted by these AI generators without any compensation or credit whatsoever. About damn time I say.

When musicians want to sample they sometimes have to go to extreme lengths to find the rights holders and get approval. Like "We spent a year looking for Fred Balthazars only living heir to get this mandolin loop"

Selfishly no, sample laws have killed countless amazing records. But I do think artists deserve something. It worked much better in the CD era when labels could support the artists on both sides. Sampling today can really put an artist underwater (Danny Brown - Atrocity Exhibition) especially since

Pharrell and Robin Thicke's lawsuit against Marvin Gaye's estate which ultimately says you can sue based on vibes. Not to mention spotify pays jackshit. What makes me upset is the arrogance of silicon valley thinking they can circumvent all this in the name of "advancing humanity"

Definitely not good! But it would be some bullshit if the rule is "copyright laws only apply to poor people, not corporations." It would be great if we got rid of copyright while also ensuring that artists are able to live a comfortable life doing what they love.

Why should artists have to ask you for permission to make the art they want to make? I understand wanting to be credited, that's fair, but demanding that kind of power over someone else's art seems weird to me. You don't loose anything from them making it.

Really shows how effortlessly one can build a case against these criminals. This should take half a day in court, but the reality may be different.

Yeah this obviously a slam dunk, only question is if this ends with an exhange of money and shaking hands over the shared goal of being rich, or the total and instant death of all AI. I don't see an in-between where this somehow only affects midjourney

I ask myself how it is not possible to track the origin of an image, yet you can ask midjourney create an image in a certain style. Technology works in mysterious ways, uh?

If Disney’s stranglehold on America’s IP laws is what manages to stop this generative AI nightmare, I’d be okay with letting them have their Mickey Mouse copyright for another 100 years as a thank you.

As a side matter, all the major image formats allow images and video to be tagged with metadata, do they actually do this? It wouldn't be hard to establish a digital copyright claims registry with fingerprints of the content claimed.

My guess? They think it’s the easiest one to win against. And if they win, thats a powerful precedent to wield when they go after other entities that are doing the same thing but have more money, more influence, and were a little less blatant about what they were doing.

maybe the lawyers thought they had the best chance against them vs a giant like OpenAI; I'd imagine all that really matters is the precedent set by the outcome of the lawsuit

Yeah, I worry about that too—hopefully one of these proceeds far enough though that the biggest ones are fucked regardless because not everyone is going to make those agreements, and they stole the stuff already and keep stealing it.

Steal from millions of individual creators from all over the planet and it's just a requisite step in the advancement of technology; steal from one mega-corp and you're toast.

Reminds me of Stephen Miller saying that they can’t give due process before deporting people because it would take forever to have 11 million trials. They’re both just out saying “If I followed the law then I wouldn’t get to do what I want” and I’m like, yeah, man, welcome to civilization

all LLMs or what's being called "AI" now are and can only be created by deeply violating thousands of people and organizations to steal their work and personal data for the sake of creating non-consensual digital clones and mass erasure. it's their core business model to do this.

No, what they're saying is if you download millions of images there is no way to automatically find out if they include copyrighted images, and that is correct. However that's irrelevant because a) unknowingly committing a crime is still a crime and b) basically every image has copyright protection

And c) they clearly knew it was generating copyrighted images anyway, specifically Disney's property, so this argument is completely moot. Basically yes he is correct, but the logical conclusion to that is "you can't train your model on an unknowably large dataset" not "we don't know so it's fine"

It's not correct. Because it's incredibly easy to find out. "did you download an image that's less than a hundred years old? If yes, you downloaded a copyrighted image" Copyright is automatic.

Disney doing Disney things… Mark my words: They also just want the prompts so they can use AI to create high-quality images of their characters themselves and reduce the number of employees they need.

I anticipate a big settlement that makes the plaintiffs richer without giving anything to the creatives behind the material while allowing AI to keep stealing in the background.

Feels weird to be routing for Disney and Universal given what arseholes they are, but in this case because of the nature of the matter and the hope it results in more than just some sort of fine and hampers these plagiarism/copyright infringement engines you have say: I hope they fuck Midjourney up.

The line "It would be cool if images had metadata embedded in them about the copyright owner or something" really inspires confidence in your position on a legal matter.

If you find some cash in the street I can understand the ‘there’s no way of knowing whose it is’ defence, but that doesn’t really work for ‘we found all these things on the internet so we took them’.