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except blogging was good and AI slop is bad, and the fact that you don't have the critical judgment to discern the difference is not an indictment of the rest of us who, in fact, do have five or six brain cells to rub together

I'm surprised you didn't drop this old gem, but maybe you weren't old enough to know about it.

Dig up

Just because angry guys on Fox News complained about something does not mean that everyone thought blogs were bad. Some blogs were/are bad and should be ignored. But the idea of blogs is amazing and there should be more of them. Is this really confusing to the CTO of a microblogging platform?

Dawg you cited John Kass lmao this is the funniest possible way you could ever try to defend a point

Most are generally inferior to professional reporting. Some do better (s/o @popular.info), and develop sources that let them break news faster. But deep reporting takes time & ample talent.

It took you a day to continue this bullshit argument in the worst way?

Wow, a CBS news executive went on Fox News and criticized bloggers as not real journalists. I'm going to have to go ask my AI agent why a legacy media executive might not be a good source for how the average person felt about blogs at the time.

Keep posting, you're almost there

Those are all pretty different criticisms from how I’d criticize AI slop

Another link from 2007 www.latimes.com/opinion/la-o...

Cool man, will videos ever work on this site or will it always crash the app?

The journalists in question were calling out the editorial process of bloggers. They weren't making the point you think they were making.

o no not guys at home on pajamas I can how this new media would threaten legacy

> 2005 > 2007 > 2009 Dawg, I was a CHILD then. I would never have EXPERIENCED what you're describing because my PC access was so limited.

Lmao. Still going? Give it up, son. Lol.

Amazing. I have no words.

What does this have to do with slop?

What's great about them, Paul? Is it the collaborative human effort that made them, or is it just the sheer volume of Content(tm) they produced? Because I really think you're missing the point.

That's professional sneering, not anti-slop. A closer equivalent today would be (solely) graphic designers or video editors talking smack about AI prompters. But we have cross-industry criticism of the entire process, from theft, through laziness, to output (and more!) that is called out as slop.

“People said Galileo was wrong, but he was right, therefore I’m right despite people telling me I’m wrong.” Not only is this ahistorical, it’s the argument of a child.

Many of us were on the net when it was only text, and HTML had yet to exist. You can't lie your way to legitimacy.

Yeah but podcasts aren’t eventually going to do me out of a job Paul, so write that down.

Lol a lot of them are slop

Feels like you’re coping.

You really have no fucking clue what you're talking about

Who bribed you?

Good to see the new thing is memory-holing that AI is feeding off of all the things you just called slop though... things people actualliy cared about and created.

Let’s adopt all your bad ideas right away because we took time to vet those. Thanks tech police!

who is we? man this is making me sad, I hope you'll overcome this soon.

I feel like it's a human failure to consider an entire category as slop. The real value is actually understanding the qualities of what makes something slop or actually good.

The fuck are you on about?

Question… how can “we” memory-hole a fucking figment of your imagination? Blogs, podcasts, and Wikipedia all have 1 thing in common that AI slop doesn’t. It was put together by people who actually did the work.

Do you clowns ever stop talking shit?

It’s ok to not remember something that didn’t happen.

You trust something that was written on the Internet?!

Man I’d love to be able to say something this stupid this confidently. Alas.

Bro what are you talking about? As an old, I have to say I think you’re doing the opposite, and projecting backwards onto the past. They were just unreliable sources not slop. Slop is a fundamentally new phenomenon. The jankiest photoshop or hand-coded website, can at worst be bad, never “slop”.

Brother what in christ are you talking about. This is not a thing.

people only look fondly on those because ai makes them look better by comparison, you dumb fuck

paul what the fuck are you talking about

what are you talking about

Blogging and podcasts were and continue to be considered slop. Why else would there be endless jokes about everyone doing both instead of "useful" tasks. Example: Bob Loblaws Law Blog from 2006 Only Wikipedia got "rehabilitated" but, tbh, only random boomers didn't like it

The people who insist that AI is good were the ones who were opposed to that other stuff.

Historical revisionism is fun! "The moon landing was done by a vessel entirely built of Lego!" Anyone else reading this, elder millennial here: this is nonsense.

no, they weren’t. nice try tho.

Can't memory hole something that isn't true.

This didnt happen, this is a lie.

You're confusing noise with garbage.

Is this supposed to be a defense of AI or something? I'm confused. Also, if we did, then I must live in an alternate reality than you.

did the AI make this up

It's not even hyperbole, you're just wrong. Which is weird, but hey, nobody's perfect.

/thread 🏆

Is it possible to collectively memory-hole something you individually have invented?

Do not cite the the deep magics to me, witch! I was there. It did not feel like this.

Yes somehow we continue to hold it up as a golden era. I remember taking quizzes and flash games....

No. That wasn't a time that existed.

There’s a monumental difference between sub average human content vs machine slop.

Ok, but that didn't happen. You just asked ChatGPT and it made that up.

I see you are a child who a) just fell out of a coconut tree and has no idea what those times were like, and b) has no idea what the advent of AI entails.

That's because it didn't happen, at least not anywhere close to the general (warranted) animosity showed toward "AI." Again, you're talking about different fruits and hallucinating memories.

Did the creator of a BlogSpot go on a media tour talking about how there is >10% chance that blogs destroy humanity? Or did Wikipedia make claims that they were going to get rid of everyone’s job?

what do you think memory-holed means

who, me

No, they weren't. Source: I was there

I think it's you. Your take is false and the posts about media orgs fear mongering blogs is undercut by the fact that they are now, and were then, the primary source of propaganda and misinformation. Blogs were considered amateur. Wiki, a decent place to learn an intro but not a primary source.

Good call on the podcasts, tbh

You just don’t seem like a careful thinker, at all.

And the embedded power structures who tried to gatekeep these passionate individuals are the exact same as people today who have concerns about AI use’s proven cognitive decline, environmental harms, global theft, and psychosis and self harm! Exact same. I am very smart.

Feel like you’re ignoring the reality where none of those things have been forced into the foundations of our government works. If a podcast fails the economy doesn’t tank

Blogging and podcasts were never considered slop. They were always seen as exciting new media. Wikipedia was mistrusted by the establishment because it bypassed gatekeepers, which is why back then "Conservapedia" was a thing, and now "Grokipedia" is.

source: trust me bro

keep posting through it. You're definitely not proving how clueless and useless your opinions are!

As a former tech lover in their 40s: ....WUT? JFC you have no concept of what came before anymore, do you?

You have must have a different meaning for the term “slop”

Yyyyyyyeah, no. Nobody ever thought that. Some of it was Shit, but it was human-crafted shit. Hallucination-prone regurgitations from the plagiarism machine could never even aspire to being that.

(Laughing nervously) haha yeah man. I totally know what you’re talking about

(Also, as a kind of now-that-I-think-of-it: most blogs & podcasts WERE (and are) shovel-ware level hack stuff, done more from vanity & a desire to publish SOMETHING and be heard rather than having much worth saying.)

Do you know what a human being is

This is going to age REALLY well

Nope. Never felt this way.

No we haven't, they weren't.

I'm building a thing to help with that... Mima.social

I was in elementary school when I discovered you could "cheat" on assignments by finding the sources wikipedia cited and using those. ...they should probably actually talk about wikipedia as a starting point to find sources. It's good for that.

The problem with blogs tho is they run the gamut from well-researched to absolute festering dumpster fires. Tho, yes, now we have that issue creeping into .govs. 😞

Which is kind of strange in hindsight because it has a full history of edits and who made them which is superior in many ways to other sources that don't have that or at least not nearly as accessible.

I'm relating what a well intentioned but somewhat confused teacher told my actual human middle-school child in a public school classroom in the academic year 2024-2025, but don't let that stop you. Glad you had a more sensible experience!

I mean this may be the best way to get the kids to get really into Wikipedia

We have the incredible fortune of a full set of earnest and engaged teachers who must sometimes work from curricula last meaningfully updated 10-15 years ago, this is…how it goes. Also our district feeds every kid two meals a day for free, year-round. Priorities! We're doing fine.

thats because you havent changed your handle to a .gov domain, i would have trusted you otherwise

The worst part was this was going into the library where they would remove books, oh my god, how dare they I'd been in that library. Half the books were bought before 1960. No one read them. No one wanted to. They were a lot of "ain't colonialism great" books.

Nope.

Do you enjoy being wrong or

this is potentially another case in which private accounts would be useful, because then you could happily circulate a cliche to makes the other side look stupid without anyone outside the intended audience showing up to deconstruct it

What is this? Are you just a troll account?

It's okay to just simp for AI man, you don't have to keep reaching for stupid and wrong reasons that we don't believe anyway

Go read Mark Fisher's k punk blog. Come back in two years when you have some idea what you're talking about.

transparent cope. sorry paul you got got

Shut up, man. Respectfully.

That’s because what you just described is a fantasy. God I’m so tired of stupid people being in control of stuff.

I lived through this time period and I feel like I'm being gaslit

I don't know if it was every considered slop - the quality was unpredictable but in some cases were pretty darn good (for example - chemblogs). Wikipedia likely improved its processes and quality over time - institutions can do that - while competing info sources got worse or died.