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If you search 'Robert Smith' on Google Images you find page after page of the lead singer of The Cure and, ironically enough, no pictures of you

A "digital town square" is a race to the bottom, as is the idea that "the solution to bad speech is good speech." Let me know if you'd like to know why.

Sadly for her, our current reality kills her argument in favor of a digital town square. Elon has enabled the con artists, racists, and Nazis to drown out any sort of existence in that town square. And she still chooses Elon’s hate filled universe. That’s why she’s being called out.

A big irony here is that Elon and his minions have actually dunked on Jemima for a past column (presciently!) saying that he has turned twitter into a dying platform! (5/11)

See, I'd be interested in reading a treatment of that point, because I very much disagree -- not about BlueSky, per se, but about the desirability of a "digital town square", which I think is in fact deeply undesirable.

No service will ever, or should ever be considered to be, the town square. The idea is so stupid as to automatically be disqualifying. The *internet* is the town square. The sites are the various stores open around the town square.

I'm so sick of people with no skin in the game when it comes to schools of thoughts that are threats to marginalized groups existence arguing that letting those ideas out into the open is actually good for everyone.

which is it, 'theoretical' -- that is, never existed -- or 'no longer exists' my goodness you self-congratulatory bin of wankers seem incapable of the most trivial mentation as everyone else has the 'be more explicit' bit handled in regards you, i shan't bother

The assumption that BlueSky is a walled garden is being made without support both by you and by her. Her article doesn't explicitly state it but the only reason she mentions is that Nazi content isn't tolerated. So that's what people latched into. If that wasn't meant that's just poor writing.

From your long screed that is clearly arguing that far-right extremists need to be listened to, it is clear you work for the Fascist Times. No decent person is interested in hearing your opinion on anything Nazi appeaser.

I kinda think #1 does need explanation

It is crucial to note that, when town squares were actually a thing, ie, a real place where people went to see other people, two things were true:

“Some people prefer a more enjoyable social media experience to a digital town square where they have to see engagement farmers posting videos of people getting killed as well as actual Nazis saying Hitler was right”. Damn bro, you got me with that one.

Think this was pile-on cascade: Appears to argue wld prefer risk coming across vile racist content than use a silo (Bsky) That assumed to mean: 'criticism of X (racism)' is less strong than 'criticism of Bsky (not enuf disagreement)' Evolves to: dullness is a bigger downer than racism Cue hysteria.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-BV...

Part of the problem is that she didn't argue *anything* coherently. X is terrible, but also bsky should be more of a "town square," but also a "town square" without Nazis may not be possible, but there's *definitely* something bad about bsky users liking this space. ... OK?

At the risk of stating the obvious, she noted racist hate speech on X and deemed the result to be superior. Do you really find it ‘strange’ that people extrapolated the 2 implications listed, or are you being disingenuous?

You should really read the piece before you try to defend it.

I feel like mild critics like myself think that if we give credence to her beliefs in this instance: to wit, there’s not enough racism on Bluesky, we’d be given credence to her other beliefs: to wit, trans people should not exist

That "Stoke Newington drinks party with the truffle flavoured crisps" analogy trolled us, the target audience beautifully. It succeeded in generating more engagement than its rather bland and innocuous "serious" themes would otherwise have merited.

Maybe you could post through it?

Any other day a white guy avatar tells an entire social site to search "Jemima" and it probably isn't anything to do with whatever this tempest in a teapot is.

O RLY? You can somehow guarantee that ALL of the people you're referring to had THAT objection, and not a single one had a more reasonable objection? Please share with us how you acquired this mind-reading ability.

How’s this different from Twitter ? People slander others all the time.

Ok but you aren't entitled to being seen and listened to by people?

Stopped reading right here because that is NOT what she called BlueSky. Weird how no one seems able to defend what was actually said in the article.

well this is an obvious and easily falsifiable claim

dude she's just wrong and annoying. Bluesky is so far from perfect, never boasted utopia, it's literally just a bunch of people arguing with each other. But Twitter banned me twice, it's authoritarian.

Blaming the victims you bully is some real psychopathic and freaky shit.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwM9...

It seems that the proper Bluesky response should be "Block the FT and move on." No one needs an echo chamber full of Nazis with their constant sieg-heiling, and whatnot.

Sorry, dude. We’ve already had the “Debate me, Bro” debate. You lost.

bro who tf are you and why would I read your 11 post thread lmfao

I didn’t see a pile on and no vitriol. I saw mirth and puns. A little eye rolling. Okay, maybe a lot of eye rolling. Her article was laughable, not insightful.

gee, really really super duper sorry, but i don't give a flying fuck about some nazi humping clown that fan girls for Eric fucking Trump (who steals from childrens cancer charities)...the reason she's getting vitriol is because she's a clown glad i could clear that up

There's plenty to disagree with in the assumptions which seem to underlie her argument, and quite a lot of people have, quite politely. As ever many find it easier to attack her presumed motives. A lazy refusal to think is certainly not confined to X. But I do think her column was mainly codswallop.

Right Wingers: No one will debate me!

Maybe it suggests the take is bad

Lol

"You're all trash! [1/11]" Yeah okay lol

Probably because the article was dumb and you're an asshole

I find @jemima.bsky.social's takes to be perfectly reasonable most of the time. I think the challenge is that when people hear "echo chamber" they really hear "like minded" or "reasonable" like there can't possibly be other ideas that have validity.

Hey man could you do me a favor and stop posting and leave? Like forever

I'm gonna block the SHIT out of anyone for any damn reason I please. Especially if they believe I shouldn't have rights! Jemima is a TERF & a bigot. You BOTH think you're the smartest in the room but you couldn't outwit a nematode. We see you. We see through your dogwhistles. Get the fuck outta here

Why is it ironic? So she was wrong. It's not a pleasant echo chamber. The rest of us already knew that

Really Robert? Because I currently see a *lot* fewer Nazis

The median twitter pile-on involves r*pe threats and racist abuse, my guy. I guess someone calling your girl for the terf she is must really chafe.

I've not seen the vitriol just the amusing responses or the mildly defensive, but it has triggered quite a lot of response, more than I would have expected, especially for those of us who could not read the article

she's never gonna fuck you, weird dude

yep, all understood there. surely the article is a success, huge engagement level, lots of people feeling interested enough to post their views in response. the fact a lot disagree with some of what the article said (or maybe how it was said), doesn't detract from mission accomplished.

Gotta fill the column inches with something, I guess, even if it contradicts what she said just last month, like when she complained about people who criticized echo chambers.

Kinda wild to say this is an echo chamber when all that really reflects is where you've created one for yourself.

No self-righteousness on Twitter, no sirree.

I'm not seeing you engage with the best faith version of the criticism - her article did not articulate which views in particular were un/acceptable here. Instead you're doing the same thing and dismissing all the criticism is "vitriol".

no, no, her column was pretty clear, i think we all picked up what she was putting down

The echo chamber accusation has been bouncing around since BlueSky's beginning and it is always fundamentally underpinned by the same thing: "YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME AND IF YOU DON'T EVERYTHING IS UNFAIR!!!" It is never anything more substantive than that.

You migrated from X to here? Why X is your people

And again. Go back to X, bitch.

Revulsion is the appropriate response to hearing anything from the British press

tongue my hole, nerd

how do you write a 30 post thread on the criticism of her without mentioning she’s a vicious transphobe who wrote this article because she was criticized for transphobia

Maybe if she'd framed things differently it might have gone down better. The takeaway of "put up with scumbags or else you're an echo chamber" doesn't fly. She even says that Twitter is terrible.... but somehow there's a problem with Bluesky? Maybe she should have spent time here first.

Leave then. This site isn't for you. No, really, leave. Go. This is neither sarcastic or hypothetical, I really do mean "get out".

You've left out that she's a transphobe Robert. Therefore you leave out that we're INCLUDING HER in the worthless pieces of fucking shit that shouldn't be allowed here. Just shut the fuck up and go back to twitter if you're THAT DESPERATE for the freedoms of bigoted hacks.

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My brother in Christ nobody forced you and your colleagues to touch your tongues to the stove

Normally I would respond that she's not going to fuck you, but given the nature of your business - she probably will.

take this boring bullshit back to Twitter asshole

Previously you commented that you weren't going to condemn anyone you weren't an expert on. Where have you suddenly found the expertise to confirm JK Rowling is not a Nazi, and said commenters are incorrect?

It often feels that shaming and insults are more welcomed and expected than discomforting critical analysis. They fit the model better.

She sure hangs out with Nazi sympathizers and denies Nazi crimes like a Nazi woumd

Sorry more Britishisms I guess: OTT = Over The Top (common abbreviation here, thought it was in US too) I actually don’t think she meant “X>Bsky” but agree that good writing should be clear so it could have been better bsky.app/profile/bond...

if you hang out with nazis deny nazi crimes sympathise with nazis you are a nazi. jk is a nazi. it’s fine to say so.

JK Rowling would absolutely side with Nazis anytime

Lol, I'm not gonna read the rest of this thread because claiming that as a match to anything you've seen on Twitter is either because you have just had you're first experience outside your safe space or you're being intellectually dishonest. Probably both, and you probably consider this vitriol.

My response to the "echo chamber" thing: I choose not to spend time with people who have views I find distasteful in real life, so why should I allow them into my home to spout their opinions? I shall block quite happily. I shall encourage others to block too. This is a positive place, keep hate out

i don’t understand what’s ironic about this in the first place. it seems like there’s a subconscious expectation in the british journalist class that left wing people should be tolerant or polite. that doesn’t align with left wing politics or beliefs or people.

The take from the “corporate finance editor at the financial times”

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that people don't like being condescendingly insulted.

Exactly. “Columnist had a bad take” is not news. The FT is not special for getting yelled at for having a bad take. The fact that they are just circling the wagons instead of taking a half a second of self reflection is notable, though.

Dont worry about her, can you perhaps expand on why England's only exportable product is oligarch wealth hoarding?

To be anti-echo chamber is to have a brain made of nacho cheese

I mean he's British so basically emotionally retarded and too scared about workplace repercussions and posh cunt respectability shit to realize they're defending a piece of trash.

You have little bird bones and you’d be helpless to stop me.

Isn't having a pile on about lack of pile ons on here all a bit meta? You should go to FaceBook for that....

your mom asked the same question when i told her i just got done fingerbanging your dad

You're doing great, sweaty

Undeniably!

lol omg, so good some real “we all have 2.5-inch penises don’t we fellas” energy here

Girlcock 🤤🤤🤤

i've heard they have maps to the female orgasm if you're looking for directions

Hope this helps youtu.be/-gQ-hA_vF60?...

V good point, apologies

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Jacking off generally refers to male not female masturbation in the UK. But happy to take the L anyway as it made me chuckle!

Congrats, 3rd place in the weekly ratio feed!

Of course you don't

bruh.flac.mp3.ogg

Ask Ben Shapiro.

Hands, usually.

likely story. as if you haven't gooned to it for 12 hours this week alone

It's similar to how I jack off your dad

Join the FT, they said. See the world, they said....

Ben Shapiro levels of self own, Robert, well done Now leave